Does God exsist?

geordie · Jul 25, 2005

Does God exsist? if he does what will he think about things ike what
1. Man is doing to this planet
2. islamic extremists
thanks

michel · Jul 25, 2005

Hi geordie;

As I notice that this is your first post here, I wanted to Welcome you to the forum -

You might like to have a look at :- Articles for New Members ; from there, there is a link to the forum rules, which you ought to see.

Perhaps you would like to post on:- Are you new to ReligiousForums.com? , in order to introduce yourself to the members.

As to your question, Yes, I believe God exists. I don't somehow think that he keeps his eye on us in the way you suggest though - but if he did, I am sure he would understand that we are (for the most part) not deliberately destructive - after all, we are only human..........

ShaunPhilly · Jul 25, 2005

I would introduce myself in another place, but I feel that would be somewhat redundant.

I do not believe that God exists. That makes me an atheist. However, I don't know for sure, that makes me an agnostic. I'm an agnostic-atheist.

To clarify, I don't think I can know for sure whether or not some being exists in the universe that would fit some or all of the criterie we might establish for deserving the title "God." As for some particular conceptions of divinity, say the ancient Greek pantheon or Mithra, I am willing to say that I am as sure they don't exist as I am sure that this keyboard I'm typing on exists. As for more modern conceptions, say of the major monotheistic religions, I would have to wonder what exactly they think god is (metaphysically, that is) in order to rate my willingness to concede the possibility.

Do I think Jesus Christ was God? no. I don't even think the early "Christians" (before Paul) thought that.

The reasons for my lack of belief may come with further discussion, but I will say that my lack is based on philosophical problems rather than a problem with religions. My problems with religions are a separate issue from my lack of belief, as I believe that many religious traditions have fascinating insights into human psychology, history, and what Nietzsche called the "metaphysical need."

That's all for now.

Shaun

robtex · Jul 25, 2005

Hey welcome to the world of metapysical debate! At least on here.

I would ask you based on your excellent posts:

In regards to # 1 wouldn't you say that if a God made man and made him in a fashion that man used resources to thrive as a species it would be in congruence to God's plan--aka predestination. Our ablity to use resources is a large contributer to our survival as a species today and whatever negative outcomes that have come about I would argue that as a species it is in our nature to use (abuse) the enviroment around as a mechanism for survival.

In regards to # 2 could you define a islamic extremist (as opposed to a moderate islamic) and why did you single out that particular religion as opposed to extremist in general?

In response to that if God was allah and his follower's went overboard maybe he would give them an "E" for effort but not an "A" for achievement? Or perhaps he would tell them there heart was in the right place but their brain was not? Just kidding seriously though, when you say extremists can you define extremest for the purpose of this debate and are you limiting it only to those who submit to Allah or extremist in general?

Kowalski · Aug 3, 2005

Shocking, I prefer neutrogena myself, great for dandruff,

K

Mike182 · Aug 3, 2005

oh goodie, another tactful and open minded poster :sarcastic

now if you will excuse me im off to throw up

:banghead3

do you have any justification for simply denying Gods existence? or does the fact that their is evidence scare you?

C_P

EDIT: Hey C_P, nothing wrong with your post, I just wanted to get rid of the picture in the quote.

Mike182 · Aug 3, 2005

i dont know for certain what god thinks ........ about anything :149:

but i think im pretty safe in saying god does approve of some of the things we do to the planet he has blessed us with, and doesnt at all condone some of the other things we do to it

first off, God made/designed us to have an inquizitive mind, and the aspirations to learn, so the learning of science, and then the application of the knowledge attained god is probably quite chuffed with (mental immage of God running round on a cloud shouting "awwwww bless them, the split their first atom :woohoo:")

but then, humans tend to apply their knowledge to other uses of a more dangerous and harmful nature (the atomic bomb springs to mind)

now then, islamic extremists

i think they are perverting islam, and i think they had probably better worry more about how miffed muhamed is going to be with them as appose to god

C_P

Apotheosis · Aug 4, 2005

1. I hope so, because if there is a God, then it is pretty likely there is life after death, which would be good. Because otherwise, we are just very aware and intelligent bugs, waiting to be crushed(or die of old age).The thought that once you die, your done, gone, you are no more, makes you wonder why try or strive for anything other than extending your life and enjoying it to its fullest?

2.I dont know...

michel · Aug 4, 2005

Wow that sounds interesting, I look forward to your posts, where I hope you will explain what you believe and disbelieve; you certainly have my interest!

At the same time, I notice that this is your first post here, and I therefore wanted to take the opportunity of Welcoming you, as a new member.

When you can get round to it, you might like to have a look at :-
Articles for New Members ; from there, there is a link to the forum rules, which you ought to see.

See you around!

nonda · Aug 10, 2005

Does God exsist? Yes. I would like to think that of all the things we as humans have to go through, Good or bad. That there is a reason for and a meaning to. I have tried to think of the possiblitile that God does not exsist, but the thought never stays. Like when I look at my childern. Babies have that unmistakable wonder in thier eyes, almost as if you are looking at God himself. Then when I am in nature, I take in the awsomeness of earth and everything on it. I've tried to imagine that maybe it is all science and just cause, but once again drawn to God. There is a design to everything. Plants, animals, water, air , solar system and humans. It is all mathematical. God's equation!

DreamQuickBook · Aug 10, 2005

All the gods exist.

1. Depends on which god.
2. Depends on which god.

michel · Aug 10, 2005

hello Nonda!!

Nice to meet you!

I must admit to feeling pretty much the way you do - especially about babies - baby animals just the same; to me it is a sign of God, as you seem to think.

As I noticed that this was your first post, I wanted to take the opportunity to welcome you aboard!!

and if you can't work something out, just ask, there's bound to be someone around - everyone here wants to help - I hope what you have seen of the forum reflects that.

You might like to have a look at :- Articles for New Members ; from there, there is a link to the forum rules, which you ought to see.

and lastly, you might like to post on:- Are you new to ReligiousForums.com? , so as to introduce yourself to the members here - just a few details like hobbies, whatever.

I look forward to seeing your posts.

nonda · Aug 10, 2005

Wanted to apologize for my most recent post . DARM TYPE-OS

Ahmadi · Aug 10, 2005

1. That will be taken care of on the day of judgement.
2. Islamic extremists are not islamic.

Ulver · Aug 11, 2005

"We reap what we sow" really.

The over use and destruction from obtaining resources and land does have negative consequences for us. For example most of the deadliest diseases came from rain forests that were cut down (aids, Malaria, & Ebola). Secondly the pollutants released into the environment from are use of some resources is hurting the quality of air, water and land for plants, animals and humans. We are slowly killing ourselves. Yet it is a process that can be lessened and reversed in some ways through common sense, scientific discoveries implemented around the world and promotion of basic principles of conservation.

I'd like to discuss in a separate thread perhaps how religion has played a part in Mankind's relationship with his/her natural surroundings

As to the more general matter of if God exists, I think there is some general proof that there might be a god, but it all depends on an interpretation of WHAT God is. For example I clearly think that the Abrahamic ideal of God as an individual conscious being ruling the world/universe like a King would a country doesn't work in reality. My observations of how things are points far too much to the fact that the world is organized chaos really. Organized in that one thing causes another and chaotic in that there is little stability in reality (when looking at it in cosmic terms). However it seems more apparent to myself that the universe works in circles, chains, webs rather then the hierarchal stepladder of abrahamic faiths. There seems to be an ONENESS with all matter and energy. This seems far more supportive of concepts like Hinduism (in particular the Bhagavad-Gita and Krishna), Pantheism and some other concepts that follow this.

Mind you these are just conclusions I have made so far on my path. I'm not saying their absolute or "TRUE" because truth for humans is a subjective thing really. We think the world is flat, and then we prove the world is round, then the Romans burn a library in Alexandria and we think the world is flat again till a heretic voices his opinion in Italy.

np: Paradise Lost- Dead Emotion

Novo · Aug 16, 2005

Im sure im making a mistake by not reading through all the other posts in this thread before posting, But I thought that I would go ahead and relay to everyone how I feel on the existence of God.
It is my opinion, That the universe is far to chaotic and complex to simply exist via pure chance. While we as human beings, and also as sentient life forms may not have been create intentionally it is also undeniable in my eyes that some higher intelligence is responsible for the existence of everything in the universe. We know that the brain is a ever evolving organ, and today we are able to understand and think in dimensions that our ancestors (4-5 million years ago) were incapable of. The concept of art or math for that matter was certainly not dominant in the pre-homosapian brain. As our minds continue to evolve we continue to reach new levels of self awareness. And so, it is my opinion that God is very possibly nothing more than a being evolved far beyond our own comprehension. Our entire universe may be nothing more than the equivalant of a school science project to God.

joeboonda · Aug 16, 2005

I believe God exists and He probably wishes we took better care of the planet, and didn't car bomb each other. PEACE!

Janaye · Aug 17, 2005

God put us here to make our own choices... the world is the way it is because thats what the majority of us chose.. if we dont like it, then we can change it whenever we choose... and he thinks that if that what we choose, then that is good enough for him.. he doesnt have a right or wrong.. there is no such thing as "right" or "wrong". thats what we as humans ave created..

enton · Aug 19, 2005

Although there are men who insist that there exist no god or God but the mere fact that there are people who love to live in peace and harmony and who wholeheartedly obey the laws of God whether written in the Bible or written in their hearts, especially those who are observing righteousness, mercy, truth, charity and holiness, then it goes to show that there always exists God.

CMIYC · Aug 19, 2005

My theory on god is this; if something has a name then it exists even if one cannot see it.Some of the things you cannot see but they exist, love, vision, empty space, electricity and so on, one could go on for ever. What ever man is doing to this planet is with gods will or he would have stopped it by now. And do you honestly think that Islamic terrorist do atrocities out of hate? They do it out of love in what they believe in; some do it for god, some do it for preservation of their cloture. I believe love delivers all the emotions like, jealousy, anger, disappointment hate, tolerance, intolerance, obedience, disobedience. Love is not just hugs and kissed, it is every single human emotion put into one.

Cheers

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