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Dr. Michael A. Aquino

Daelach

Setian
Eastern vamachara came first, the Western term LHP was coined by Madam Blavatsky.

Of curse they have. What do you think where Blavatsky got the term from? From the east, naturally. Basically, her misguided understanding of LHP was "putting everything naughty and inacceptable into it", which is, by the way, the very same way the Xtian churches created the devil.

The very point with RHP and LHP is that they do NOT differ in their aims, only in the means. No "isolate intelligence stuff" and the like.

Concerning the objective/subjective universe thing - since I regard this whole objectivistic approach as nonsense (though it was OK for the COS and their world view), I do not agree to an argument based upon this OU/SU stuff.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
Of curse they have. What do you think where Blavatsky got the term from? From the east, naturally. Basically, her misguided understanding of LHP was "putting everything naughty and inacceptable into it", which is, by the way, the very same way the Xtian churches created the devil.

The very point with RHP and LHP is that they do NOT differ in their aims, only in the means. No "isolate intelligence stuff" and the like.

Concerning the objective/subjective universe thing - since I regard this whole objectivistic approach as nonsense (though it was OK for the COS and their world view), I do not agree to an argument based upon this OU/SU stuff.
Then here lies the problem between your philosophy and the Temple philosophy.

I would be interested in viewing a discussion (nicely of course :slap:) with what you have to say and our priesthood. This could be enlightening and informative.

X&R
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Valor

Active Member
Certain LHP groups actively cultivate their hate/self loathing and feed on others in order to keep their "power supply" fed.


Sad...isn't this counter productive? I can't see how they would merge forward from this practice...it doesn't make sense to me.

I don't see how any organized group would cultivate this as common practice without it blowing back in thier face?

How organized can they be if this is applied in Practice? Am i just failing to see the logic, or am i missing something?
 

Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
Sad...isn't this counter productive? I can't see how they would merge forward from this practice...it doesn't make sense to me.

I don't see how any organized group would cultivate this as common practice without it blowing back in thier face?

How organized can they be if this is applied in Practice? Am i just failing to see the logic, or am i missing something?

The only way where I see it as being possibly productive, is if it is under control.

Another words, the person is not truly that way. They are simply experimenting with manipulating their personality. They are experimenting with the power of predatory spirituality to know it. The goal is to know thyself. Unfortunately, nastiness, hatred, anger, pride, and mercilessness is a part of all of us whether we like it or not. What makes the difference is how well different individuals know and control these things. To expand knowledge of these parts, they are proactively explored. Then the individual pulls themselves out, and tries to assess the experience, I would think.

I think I think......

*edit* I still have to agree with.. Sireal (I think is who said it)... when I say that those in a persons same general like-mindedness should not be the ones used as the meal.
 
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Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
You know the other thing I don't understand about some posts, unless it was actually what I think... a front...

What is this obsession I keep seeing with being somebody, being recognized in the LHP, or whatever?

"You will never be anybody! No body will ever remember your name! Blaarrgg! > : O "

If you want LHP fame... there are a few issues.

Above all, it takes "you" out of the equation and makes your path about everyone else, which completely defeats the ENTIRE purpose of what you are trying to do.

Next, it creates a lust for result, which tends to ruin things.

I'm sure there are more issues the focus on this brings about specifically with the LHP but... that's all I got right now.
 
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Vasilisa Jade

Formerly Saint Tigeress
Ha ha! I picked that tiger picture to go in my signature because I have been known to occasionally lick someone up their cheek without warning :)
 

blackout

Violet.
Ha ha! I picked that tiger picture to go in my signature because I have been known to occasionally lick someone up their cheek without warning :)

It's a beautiful picture.
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Daelach

Setian
Then here lies the problem between your philosophy and the Temple philosophy.

Yes. I think that the basic philosphy (epistemology) is the most important thing at all. You see, as Einstein put it, the theory determines the data, not the other way round. And the philosophy determines which theories a person can think and which ones not. So what epistemology you choose will have a very profound effect on your life.

I am deep into radical constructivism while the TOS is into objectivism.

Here is an article where I explain what that stuff is about:
Radical Constructivism
 

Apion

Member
Daelech,

It's an engaging article. I think referencing your examples would bring it up a notch. I was left at the end thinking, "so what?" RAW elaborated on reality tunnels and model agnosticism 40 years ago. I'm also not sure how your model deals with the macro world of Newtonian physics, which doesn't vary with perception and tends to lead the scientists to theories through the gathered data. You made an attempt yet I'm guessing you acknowledge it as a model as with any view of reality, but that doesn't change anything in terms of experience or provide an advantageous vantage point for the individual when engaging daily life. It's a more flexible position, but what is it's practical value? I think adding that will enhance your article.
 

Valor

Active Member
Daelech,

It's an engaging article. I think referencing your examples would bring it up a notch. I was left at the end thinking, "so what?" RAW elaborated on reality tunnels and model agnosticism 40 years ago. I'm also not sure how your model deals with the macro world of Newtonian physics, which doesn't vary with perception and tends to lead the scientists to theories through the gathered data. You made an attempt yet I'm guessing you acknowledge it as a model as with any view of reality, but that doesn't change anything in terms of experience or provide an advantageous vantage point for the individual when engaging daily life. It's a more flexible position, but what is it's practical value? I think adding that will enhance your article.


I concure...very good point Apion.
 

Daelach

Setian
I think referencing your examples would bring it up a notch. I was left at the end thinking, "so what?"

You are right thatthis is a bit theoretical. The reason is that the concept of this section of my homepage is connecting many different, cross-referencing articles. So this specific one just explains the basics which I reference in other articles. I try not to mix up stuff too much because I want to keep the individual articles rather short. Most people would not read an article as long as e.g. the TOS general information article, I am afraid. So dividing up the whole cake brings some structure into it.

RAW elaborated on reality tunnels and model agnosticism 40 years ago.

Yes, I like his writings.

I'm also not sure how your model deals with the macro world of Newtonian physics,

It is just a possible model which can be applied in some cases where it is useful. E.g. its application has brought us modern computers, the internet and enabled us to discuss although we have never met. I as an electrical engineer use this reality tunnel every time at work and find it quite applicable for many things.

The big point, however, is that this shows only that this world view works. Truth does not follow from that.

hich doesn't vary with perception

Well, that is correct, but remember that modern physics are way more advanced. In quantum physics, the outcome of your experiment depends on what questions you are asking. The experimentator is no longer to be seen as separate from the experiment.

and tends to lead the scientists to theories through the gathered data.

It does not - that is the point of Einstein's famous quote.

You made an attempt yet I'm guessing you acknowledge it as a model as with any view of reality, but that doesn't change anything in terms of experience or provide an advantageous vantage point for the individual when engaging daily life.

That was my main argument against solipsism, that in everyday life, we just do not experience things in a solipsist way.

It's a more flexible position, but what is it's practical value?

Good point since there is not yet a specific article about that. Thanks for the idea (-:

To cut it short, the main advantage is that it helps a lot to "think out of the box". You can look at certain things or events from many perspectives, not just one, and this helps to understand things deeper. The real challenge, however, is not just to change the perspective (which still would limit you to one perspective each moment), but to think in multiple reality tunnels simultaneously. This in turn will enable you to pass the classic Aristotelic logic - then you will be able to think thought which, in classical logic, could not be thought simultaneously. This is the ability of polycontextual thinking, as opposed to the "normal" monocontextual thinking. It greatly increases the complexity of my consciousness, and I regard this as a step in my Becoming. However, it is not always that easy. Just because I understood constructivism does not mean that I would not fall back into old thought schemes..
 
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