Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
What do you think? I think a Mystic Consciousness
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Christ- The Man Jesus or a Mystic Consciousness?
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fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
There is enough evidence to show that Jesus was a human. I won't go into much detail, but four Gospels, Josephus, the impact Jesus made shortly after his death, Paul talking about Jesus, etc, gives enough evidence to support a historical, man Jesus.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I am not saying Jesus didn't exist at all. I am asking if the reason he was called Christ is because he discovered a mystic Christ-nature in himself? Like one finds Buddha-nature
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
None of the above. He's the landscape guy who works in my neighborhood.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I would have to say no then. He was called Christ as he was considered the anointed one. He was considered a messiah. There is nothing mystic about it, especially when one considers that Jesus is not the only one who was called Christ or Messiah.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
You don't think there's anything mystic about this statement then? "One God and Father of all, and by you all, through you all, and in you all." "There is neither male or female, Jew or Greek, slave or free, for we are all one in Christ."
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Not at all. Taken in context, I don't see anything mystic about it. Especially considering that neither were actually attributed to be saying of Jesus. Ephesians wasn't even written by Paul, so I won't really talk about it. But Galatians, which was written by Paul, is talking about the Kingdom of God.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
"Neither shall people say, here it is, or there it is! The kingdom is within you"
I.S.L.A.M617
Illuminatus
I think Jesus is just the personification of the Christian philosophy; a sun-based demigod that never actually existed.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Now, if Jesus truly said this (which could be debated), there is nothing mystical about it (it only seems like that when it is taken out of context). Jesus believed in an imminent Kingdom of God that would be right here on Earth.
In order to enter into this Kingdom, one had to prepare themselves (which was the message of Jesus). To have the kingdom within oneself was a way in which to prepare for the Kingdom of God. It becomes more obvious once the phrase is put into context.
logician
Well-Known Member
According to gnosticism, there is a SPIRITUAL CHRIST only, no literal man-gods.
dogsgod
Well-Known Member
- Marcionism Christ was a purely spiritual entity
- Nestorianism Jesus and Christ were two different entities
- Docetism Jesus appeared physical, but he was really incorporeal
- Apollinarism Jesus had a human body and human soul, but a divine mind
- Arianism- Jesus was the son of God, not God himself
- Catholicism Jesus was fully human and fully divine, both God and the son of God
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logician
Well-Known Member
One thing I have noticed in the past when reading thru ther NT is that it strongly seemed like the quotes from the supposed Jesus indicated he thought he was a separate entity from god, even stating he didn't known things "the father" knew.
Of course, this may have just been the limitations of the gospels writers, who, of course, had to come of with some kind of excuse why Jesus didn't know when the 2nd coming was, etc.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
And all of those described an Earthly Jesus, not some mystical Jesus.
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
Um yeah. Jesus did not claim to be God. He never claimed to be the physical Son of God. This is nothing new.
footprints
Well-Known Member
I would lean toward both. School though, is still out on the actual existence of Jesus, but if Jesus wasn't real, somebody sure knew what they were talking about.
logician
Well-Known Member
In regards to what?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
You still think Jesus and Christ are the same falling blood?
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Christ is simply a title, much like the term Messiah. Jesus was called Christ, or the anointed one. Simply a title.