Send the Duke to Church

tumbleweed41 · Mar 17, 2009

Mestemia said:
Same sex marriage causes the number of children born out of wedlock to rise.
Don't believe me?
Here you go:
Smoking Gun by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

So, what I read was that the author is attempting to link Same Sex Marriage to out of Wedlock childbirth rising? All I see is "this" happened and "this" happened so one has to link to the other. Very unscientific statistically speaking.

FFH · Mar 18, 2009

If we legalize gay marriage (sin) then other sins will slowly be legalized, prostitution, illegal drugs, etc.

This is one of the great signs of the last days before Christ comes.

JS-M 1: 41-42 (comare to Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
41 But as it was in the days of Noah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;

42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

43 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

LDS.org: Meetinghouse Locator

lunamoth · Mar 18, 2009

Who cares about gay marriages? This is what needs to be stopped, and fast:

Just imagine clowns marrying and having more baby clowns and the whole world filling up with evil, marrying, baby-making clowns...

Smoke · Mar 18, 2009

This is a paraphrase of an actual Christian argument I've heard, and far be it from me to suggest that it tells you anything about the preacher who made it:

Obviously, a man knows how to satisfy a man better than a woman does, and a woman knows how to satisfy a woman better than a man does. Societal pressure is the only thing that keeps people from turning gay. If you allow same-sex marriage, the young people will think that being gay is acceptable, and then -- since gay sex is more pleasurable than straight sex -- they'll all want to be gay.

Buttercup · Mar 18, 2009

MidnightBlue said:
This is a paraphrase of an actual Christian argument I've heard, and far be it from me to suggest that it tells you anything about the preacher who made it:

Obviously, a man knows how to satisfy a man better than a woman does, and a woman knows how to satisfy a woman better than a man does. Societal pressure is the only thing that keeps people from turning gay. If you allow same-sex marriage, the young people will think that being gay is acceptable, and then -- since gay sex is more pleasurable than straight sex -- they'll all want to be gay.

Ha! That statement is mostly not true but it's hilarious anyway.

Smoke · Mar 18, 2009

Buttercup said:
Ha! That statement is mostly not true but it's hilarious anyway.

Yeah. I don't think that guy had any issues, do you?

tumbleweed41 · Mar 18, 2009

FFH said:
If we legalize gay marriage (sin) then other sins will slowly be legalized, prostitution, illegal drugs, etc.

This is one of the great signs of the last days before Christ comes.

Ah yes, the long slippery slope argument. A fallacious argument without independent justification of the connections.

And exactly what constitutes a sin, who decides? Do not say God, as that leaves his word up to interpretation. Whose interpretation? What scripture shall we use to make law. And what about those "sins" that are now legal? Should we now impose our religious beliefs on these "sinners" also? Rescind their rights and lock them up?
Blasphemy is a "sin". Adultery is a "sin", Idolatry is a "sin" , lets lock 'em all up and throw away the key!!

linwood · Mar 18, 2009

tumbleweed41 said:
Blasphemy is a "sin". Adultery is a "sin", Idolatry is a "sin" , lets lock 'em all up and throw away the key!!

Oh Jesus I`m screwed!!

McBell · Mar 18, 2009

tumbleweed41 said:
...Rescind their rights and lock them up?
Blasphemy is a "sin". Adultery is a "sin", Idolatry is a "sin" , lets lock 'em all up and throw away the key!!

Are you nuts?
If we are to adopt the Biblical sins as law, then are we not also obligated to adopt the Biblically stated punishments for said sins?

Death was the punishment of:

striking or even reviling a parent (Exodus 21:15; Exodus 21:17);

blasphemy (Leviticus 24:14; Leviticus 24:16; Leviticus 24:23);

Sabbath-breaking (Numbers 15:32-36);

witchcraft (Exodus 22:18);

adultery (Leviticus 20:10);

rape (Deuteronomy 22:25);

incestuous and unnatural connection (Leviticus 20:11; Leviticus 20:14; Leviticus 20:16);

man stealing (Exodus 21:16),

idolatry (Leviticus 20:2).

There are several different methods used in the Bible to execute the capital punishment:

burning (Genesis 38:24; Leviticus 20:14; Daniel 3:6),

hanging (Numbers 25:4; Deuteronomy 21:22; Deuteronomy 21:23; Joshua 8:29; 2 Samuel 21:12; Esther 7:9; Esther 7:10),

crucifying (Matthew 20:19; Matthew 27:35),

beheading (Genesis 40:19; Mark 6:16; Mark 6:27),

slaying with the sword (1 Samuel 15:33; Acts 12:2),

stoning (Leviticus 24:14; Deuteronomy 13:10; Acts 7:59),

cutting in pieces (Daniel 2:5; Matthew 24:51),

sawing asunder (Hebrews 11:37),

exposing to wild beasts (Daniel 6:16; Daniel 6:24; 1 Corinthians 15:32),

bruising in mortars (Proverbs 27:22),

casting headlong from a rock (2 Chronicles 25:12),

casting into the sea (Matthew 18:6).

9-10ths_Penguin · Mar 19, 2009

FFH said:
If we legalize gay marriage (sin) then other sins will slowly be legalized, prostitution, illegal drugs, etc.

This is one of the great signs of the last days before Christ comes.

The thing is, though, prohibitions on marriage are another thing that's supposed to come in "latter days". I guess no matter which way we go on the issue, we're bringing about Armageddon.

FFH said:
LDS.org: Meetinghouse Locator

You want to inflict the Duke on an unsuspecting LDS meeting house? I thought you liked the Mormons.

sojourner · Mar 19, 2009

FFH said:
If we legalize gay marriage (sin) then other sins will slowly be legalized, prostitution, illegal drugs, etc.

This is one of the great signs of the last days before Christ comes.

JS-M 1: 41-42 (comare to Matthew 23: 39 and chapter 24.
41 But as it was in the days of Noah, so it shall be also at the coming of the Son of Man;

42 For it shall be with them, as it was in the days which were before the flood; for until the day that Noah entered into the ark they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage;

43 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be.

LDS.org: Meetinghouse Locator

In what way is homosexuality a sin? And drugs wouldn't be "sinful," either, if they were legal. The whole reason drugs are illegal in the fist place has far less to do with sin and morality than it does with racism and the inability of the government to collect revenue from the sale and use of drugs.

tomspug · Mar 19, 2009

Buttercup said:
But, why is that necessarily a bad thing?

My dad cheated on my mom and left her high and dry with no support. She raised two kids working two jobs all on her own. Most would say I turned out fine. My point is that if a child is raised with even ONE competent, loving parent, it's highly possible for that child to turn out to be a fine citizen. I certainly don't see what a marriage certificate has to do with it.

But you would never argue that it's a GOOD thing that your father left your mother "high and dry", right? So wouldn't you agree that children being born out of wedlock is LESS desireable, for that simple reason?

sojourner · Mar 19, 2009

Mestemia said:
Same sex marriage causes the number of children born out of wedlock to rise.
Don't believe me?
Here you go:
Smoking Gun by Stanley Kurtz on National Review Online

Soooo... a divorce rate of over 50% is, somehow, more acceptable than a rising out-of-wedlock birth rate?

The fallacy here is that these folks are equating homosexual marriage to a decline in the moral stature of a society. Maybe the Dutch are just more open about their relationships, fewer couples there get married, and that's what's causing the spike -- not homosexual marriage, in and of itself.

Or are they saying that countries who legalize gay marriage are inclined to be morally bankrupt???

Stellify · Mar 19, 2009

FFH said:
If we legalize gay marriage (sin) then other sins will slowly be legalized, prostitution, illegal drugs, etc.

This is one of the great signs of the last days before Christ comes.

I think The Duke was looking for a reason other than "because God said so"....

The Duke of Vandals said:
What I want to see is a calm, reasonable, logical explanation of, SPECIFICALLY, how gay marriage harms marriage.

All I see is the idea that gay marriage is an afront to the sensibilities of the anti-gay crowd. And that's unacceptable because it poses no harm to marriage.

Although it's definitely something I'm curious about, as well.
How, in your opinion, does gay marriage harm marriage? ie: What is "bad" about it that makes it a "sin"?

Charity · Mar 19, 2009

9-10ths_Penguin said:
The thing is, though, prohibitions on marriage are another thing that's supposed to come in "latter days". I guess no matter which way we go on the issue, we're bringing about Armageddon.

You want to inflict the Duke on an unsuspecting LDS meeting house? I thought you liked the Mormons.

I don't think we have to be concerned about the Duke, I think he has left the building......with a little help on the exit of course....

I guess we don't get to send him to any church....

Send the Duke to Church

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