Is the Christian cross an evil symbol?

Abram · Mar 30, 2008

I believe the cross is a form of Idoliary. It was made very, very clear right in the ten comandments...

Exodus 20
4 You shall makefor yourself an idol, of any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for your God, am a jealous God,
...
23 You shall not make any other gods beside me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.

Liviticus 19
4 Do not turn to idols or make for yourselves molten gods

26:1 You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or a sacred pillar, nor shall you palce a figured stone in your land to bow down to it.

These are all quotes for the Lord God himself...

Katzpur · Mar 30, 2008

Hi, Abram. Long time no see. Welcome back.

uss_bigd · Mar 30, 2008

Abram said:
I believe the cross is a form of Idoliary. It was very made very, very clear right in the ten comandments...

Exodus 20
4 You shall makefor yourself an idol, of any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for your God, am a jealous God,
...
23 You shall not make any other gods beside me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.

Liviticus 19
4 Do not turn to idols or make for yourselves molten gods

26:1 You shall not make for yourselves idols, nor shall you set up for yourselves an image or a sacred pillar, nor shall you palce a figured stone in your land to bow down to it.

These are all quotes for the Lord God himself...

I think you meant your response as MATTER OF FACT and not a matter of belief. as you said it is the word of God and it states in the book of hebrews, God does not lie.

seems like you are a regular here... i am uss_bigd i am new here.

Sola'lor · Mar 30, 2008

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
lets say they used the gallows and had hung Jesus. Believe it or not, going by the cross symbol of today, christians would walk around with nooses on their neck. As funny as that sounds, which it is, the cross is just as bad.

Where do you think neckties came from?

Charity · Mar 30, 2008

The cross is only a symbol to the Christian but has a lot of meaning. We are reminded of how Jesus died for us on that cross. The cross has no power or mystique as far as I am concerned and have never felt the desire to wear one. Jesus is no longer on that cross. The Blood of Jesus was our salvation. Apparently the cross does seem to work on vampires though. But of course garlic appears to have the same effect. Just thought I would throw that info in about the vampires... As a believer though I have questioned in my mind why a lot of ministers of the gospel wear large crosses, I think holiness goes deeper than just that outward appearance
Ok that is my opinion, I will just sit back and wait for someone to be irrate with me....Sorry I really don't mean to offend anyone this is just my opinion....

uss_bigd · Mar 30, 2008

Charity said:
The cross is only a symbol to the Christian but has a lot of meaning. We are reminded of how Jesus died for us on that cross. The cross has no power or mystique as far as I am concerned and have never felt the desire to wear one. Jesus is no longer on that cross. The Blood of Jesus was our salvation. Apparently the cross does seem to work on vampires though. But of course garlic appears to have the same effect. Just thought I would throw that info in about the vampires... As a believer though I have questioned in my mind why a lot of ministers of the gospel wear large crosses, I think holiness goes deeper than just that outward appearance
Ok that is my opinion, I will just sit back and wait for someone to be irrate with me....Sorry I really don't mean to offend anyone this is just my opinion....

Good admission. we all have opinions. hence we need a basis. what do you think is reliable basis for christians as far as christain law is concerned?

rheff78 · Mar 31, 2008

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
And your opinion of how he made it a good thing was by suffering and dying on it for you. Even though he denounced god while dying on it. If you think it is good, then that is your opinion. So lets talk about this a little deeper. Ok, the lions should be revered as holy animials right? The romans not only crucified christians, they also fed them to the lions. Why arn't lions looked at as holy animals too then? They deserve their respect to, they did their job just like the cross's.

Little off topic, but when did he "denounce god"?

crystalonyx · Apr 1, 2008

Of course, the supposed Jesus never existed, but crucifixions were usually done on stakes or straight tree trunks, not on "crosses", another hoax perpetrated by Xianity.

4nashiym · Apr 1, 2008

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
This has been a problem of mine for many years. Why is it that christians had to focus in on one of the worst symbols to represent their religion. Keep an open mind for a moment so that you can see the logic without your inner fear closing your mind.

You should be the one to open your mind first. Never mistook Catholics for Christians. Catholicism is far different from Christianity you should know that.

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
Of all the positive things Jesus supposedly did, why focus in on the worst part of his life, his death? Im sure that they could have chosen many different sysbols to represent their religion that werent murderous torture divices that were terribly feared.

Early Christians NEVER used the cross as symbol of their faith. Nor did St. Paul taught them to do the "sign of the cross" like the Catholics are doing.

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
Let me cut to the chase to save having to post a response to an answer I know will be comming. It represents the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross for mankind. Ok, well, instead of focusing on the negative(him hanging on the cross asking god why he screwed him over), why not focus on the resurection when he rose 3 days later. That still shows he gave his life and rose to go to heaven. A bit more positive don't ya think?

Christians in the Bible has another way of showing Jesus' death and sacrifices:
King James Version
I Corinthians 11:23
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
I Corinthians 11:24
And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
I Corinthians 11:25
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
I Corinthians 11:26
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
If you are still having this mental block of seeing the cross in this light, let me offer another analogy I often use that helps people. Imagine that the romans didn't use the cross for killing criminals, lets say they used the gallows and had hung Jesus. Believe it or not, going by the cross symbol of today, christians would walk around with nooses on their neck. As funny as that sounds, which it is, the cross is just as bad.

LOL, you're logically right. But again, let me remind you: THOSE WHO USES THE CROSS TO SYMBOLIZE THEIR FAITH AREN'T CHRISTIANS, THEY WERE CATHOLICS. And Catholics are far different from Christians.

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
Just an opinion, but, I think the last thing Jesus is going to want to see if he came back is a cross.:slap:

Jesus will surely come, whether you believe it or not.

Anyway, let me add this. The Roman cross symbolizes injustice and cruelty not Christians. It also symbolizes oppression and open public shame.

Charity · Apr 1, 2008

crystalonyx said:
Of course, the supposed Jesus never existed, but crucifixions were usually done on stakes or straight tree trunks, not on "crosses", another hoax perpetrated by Xianity.

Col 3:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ

Your comment is that your theory or do you have facts of the non existence of Jesus
If you have tangible evidence I would be really interested in your acknowledgment of this post.
let us reason together I would also like to hear just how much knowledge you know about "crosses" Flogging, (the Roman beating) or about the Flagrum used in this flogging...... Thank you and have a great day:super:

3.14 · Apr 1, 2008

its a symbol, the union of the concepts of divinity, the vertical line, and the world, the horizontal line though i agree that its a bit inapropriate that they used it to kill people its still a symbol same with the nazi the hookcross wasn't there symbol but they used it anyway and now its coresponded with evil nazis instead of its original purpose . just because people try and change its meaning doesnt mean the original one is lost

Jayhawker Soule · Apr 1, 2008

3.14 said:
i agree that its a bit inapropriate ...

"a bit inappropriate" ?

How very tepid of you ...

zenzero · Apr 1, 2008

Friend Mad Hatter 2002,
there is no evil in existence.
The significance of the cross to my understanding is as follows.
Wizenda staed one of its aspect]
The cross is made of two lines one vertical and one perpendicular.
and a point where both the lines meet.
normally we see life as past or future. We never live in the present, where we are.
The perpendicular line stand s for that PRESENT. When we start become aware of the present we go higher and higher or deeper and deeper into that very present and become that PRESENCE or WITNESS as Jesus understood or all enlightened persons understand.
We start living in the garden of eden when we start living in the present.
our efforts too has to be start from that point where both the line meets and we start going upwards. Mindit even a tree which grows upwards grows downwards too by itself as growth happens on either side of the scale, always by default.
Love & rgds

crystalonyx · Apr 1, 2008

Charity said:
Col 3:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditiion of men, after the rudiments of the world and not after Christ

Your comment is that your theory or do you have facts of the non existence of Jesus
If you have tangible evidence I would be really interested in your acknowledgment of this post.
let us reason together I would also like to hear just how much knowledge you know about "crosses" Flogging, (the Roman beating) or about the Flagrum used in this flogging...... Thank you and have a great day:super:

You're the one positing the existence of a miracle worker god-man.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Please present such.

Yeshua_Lives · Apr 1, 2008

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
Is the Christian cross an evil symbol?

It is if you are a vampire or satan.

Sola'lor · Apr 1, 2008

crystalonyx said:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Two things. Extraordinary claims require just as much evidence as any other type of claim.

Since when is Christ dying on the cross an extraordinary claim. It's been claimed by billions of people for thousands of years. It sounds like a pretty ordinary claim to me.

Yeshua_Lives · Apr 1, 2008

Sola'lor said:
Two things. Extraordinary claims require just as much evidence as any other type of claim.

Since when is Christ dying on the cross an extraordinary claim. It's been claimed by billions of people for thousands of years. It sounds like a pretty ordinary claim to me.

Yes, however the act....the last two weeks of Jesus life is extraordinary.

Charity · Apr 1, 2008

crystalonyx said:
You're the one positing the existence of a miracle worker god-man.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Please present such.

I guess you have no tangible evidence to support your claim that Jesus didn't exist. You were the one making the analysis to start with. I just responded. I don't need to prove He Lives, I just thought since you made the statement that you would have proof that He didn't exist. How presumptuous of me to believe you might know something that I didn't. Peace and Joy to you and have a good day

Charity

sandy whitelinger · Apr 1, 2008

The Mad Hatter 2002 said:
And your opinion of how he made it a good thing was by suffering and dying on it for you. Even though he denounced god while dying on it. If you think it is good, then that is your opinion. So lets talk about this a little deeper. Ok, the lions should be revered as holy animials right? The romans not only crucified christians, they also fed them to the lions. Why arn't lions looked at as holy animals too then? They deserve their respect to, they did their job just like the cross's.

Bacause not one Christian who was eaten by a lion died so that all of mankind could have a chance at eternal life in heaven with God the Father.

You wish to persist with your percaeption. Have fun with it.

Abram · Apr 1, 2008

Even as a Christian you got to ask is the cross a form of idolitary? If you can conclued that it is, then it could be seen as a evil symbol.

There is plenty of OT scripture that would identify the cross as a idol made of gold of wood. And therefore has a strong chance of being idolitary. Or as the thread asks a evil symbol even for a Christian.

I even ask my own pastor this because its a issue that burdens me. He gives me the song and dance its just a way to remember Christs death and we don't worship it. Yet, it's on the top of the church, on the doors, in the entry way, on the preachers stand, behind him when he preaches, and on the front of Bibles.

This is a hard question because its so excepted, no one even wants to question it? How could so many churches be wrong? Forgetting the power of evil in this world and just taking the broad road and wide gate because everyone else is.

So even Christains have to ask "is the cross a evil symbol?"

Is the Christian cross an evil symbol?

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