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what's wrong with lust?

blackout

Violet.
what is right about it again?

If I have to tell you,
I'm probably wasting my breath;)

but let me say this,

the human body is intrinsically beautiful,
and our biology is every bit as much a part of who we are
as our spirituality is.

If I can't touch myself,
If I can't love and embrace the totality of who I am as a woman,
If I can't bask in my own sexuality,
If I can't reach deep into my own sensuality...
and have fun with it...

then I am denying a MAJOR part of who I am.

I PROMISE that this personal self denial
is the cause of much depression in women,
and psycological problems in men.

I say this not because of any studies,
but because of the damage I have seen personally,
at the hands of church/parental based sexual repression (condemnation/denial).

And it's a sad thing.

So now I ask you?...
What's wrong with stripping/burlesque/sensual erotica
and masturbation?

(and I'm asking YOU. Not your church doctrine.
what do YOU think is wrong with it. deep down.)
 

astarath

Well-Known Member
To appreciate the beauty of creation and to go playing with it like a jungle gym are 2 very different things. I can appreciate and experience a Van Gogh without painting one myself! Know what I mean!
 

blackout

Violet.
To appreciate the beauty of creation and to go playing with it like a jungle gym are 2 very different things.

Playing with it like a jungle gym?
Is that what married couples do?

I can appreciate and experience a Van Gogh without painting one myself! Know what I mean!

No, I don't actually.
Beautiful wonderful things make ME want to jump ever DEEPer into the experience of living, creating, touching ... myself!
Is the personal experience found in the process of art and beauty and wonder reserved for some and not others?
Only some may personally get their fingers and hands deep into the oil paints of life?
Only some may spread the rich and vibrant colors around for themselves?
Actively expressing & enjoying the delight of what unfolds before them on the canvas that is themselves? their very life?
A woman's body is her most personal and beautiful canvas.
From the glory of her hair, to her painted toe-nails,
It is not some "shame" to be hidden away "properly".

And does a compelling work of art not heighten your sensitivity? and desire?
Can you not enjoy the seductive and mysterious artistry and allure
of a burlesque dancer for example...
or any other erotic poetry...
the way you might enjoy a Van Gogh?

Besides that... my body is SO MUCH a part of myself!
Why should I deny myself the pleasure of my own sweetness?
My own biology?
My own flowering sensuality?

Because some church doctrine says so?
nope. not any more.
 

Kcnorwood

Well-Known Member
I believe that the people that have the most problems with lust are those who have issues with it themselves.
 

blackout

Violet.
Just to say,
my last post did not intentionally deny men
their own powerful sexuality...

I was just speaking from my own experience/viewpoint
as a woman.
 

farfignewton

the man!
Ultraviolet, you make some wonderful points. I am a christian, and married, and I belive that the lust I have for my wife is one of the best things god ever gave me. To deny it, or do as the catholics would have me do, and stay only in "missionary" would be denying a huge corner stone in our relationship. I belive that for two people to truly try to join their lives, no inhibitions can exist.

Now, the other side of the coin. If my lust for my wife ever got in the way of lets say, making enough money to provide for her, *she takes care of the kids* then it would be wrong. I veiw that as a thing I call self sin. hehe... time to start a thread. :D
 

MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Nothing is wrong with lust. Then again, nothing is wrong with chocolate, either.

Mix lust and chocolate together, though, and I see heaven. :D




Peace,
Mystic
 

blackout

Violet.
Nothing is wrong with lust. Then again, nothing is wrong with chocolate, either.

Mix lust and chocolate together, though, and I see heaven.

Peace,
Mystic

I dunno' Mystic...
chocolate shows up on my hips...
and ruins my teeth...
making me feel far less sexy.;)

In THEORY however,
it sounds great.:flirt:
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
Nowadays the word "lust" is almost synonymous with "sexual desire". But an older meaning of the word might be "sexual greed".
I agree... sexual desire <> lust...
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
I think lust is to love what jealousy is to envy.

Lust could be a purely physical attraction to someone for sexual gratification regardless of what it may cost another. Like jealousy is wanting something that someone else has and wanting them to not have it.

Whereas love is a more than physical feeling, and it doesn't cost anyone else, and envy is striving to have something like what someone else has.

Don't think I articulated that very well though... =\
 
I take Buddha's stance on this issue, the middle path. Everything in moderation. Do not become dependent on lust, but do not avoid it like the plague. Moderation.
 

frg001

Complex bunch of atoms
Lust is purely an animal instinct to spread our genes. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' in lust.
 

farfignewton

the man!
Lust is purely an animal instinct to spread our genes. There is no 'right' or 'wrong' in lust.


That’s the same as saying there is no right or wrong in murder and rape, because its our animal nature to do such things.
No, we live in a moral world, regardless of doctrine. We have to put certain things as right, and certain things as wrong in order to function as a society. This is not a question of theology, but one of morality. The question is not "is Lust wrong" but rather "how far can we take lust, before it becomes wrong?"
In Christian society it varies from person to person, but the major consensus says that lust is wrong, if it distracts from God.
The more secular ones say that it is good, as long as in balance with everything else, and doesn’t take priority in your life.
Even a devout atheist would say that lust is wrong, when taken to the point of rape.
I believe that the question could only be answered by each individual, how much lust can you have, with out leaving feelings of guilt in its wake?
 

tomspug

Absorbant
Hmm, I'd say it is important to be careful. Lust and sexual desire aren't the same thing, at least that's not how I see it. You can't just say that lust is 'instinct' and therefore justifiable, unless you disagree with some of our country's laws about exactly how far your 'instinct' is allowed to go.

Lust is kind of the selfish side of sex. Whereas sex is something you share, lust is a personal appetite. In that respect, religion does not approve of lust because it is selfish and possibly harmful to someone else.
 
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