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Universal healthcare = pulling your own teeth. ha ha ha

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
To everyone who want's universal healthcare because they have drank the socialist kool-aid, here is yet another story from the UK about the horror's of government healthcare.

How anyone thinks that the people who give us the DMV would do any better with healthcare in this country is beyond me...

English 'pull own teeth' as dental service decays


Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released Monday.

Others have used superglue to stick crowns back on, rather than stumping up for private treatment, said the study. One person spoke of carrying out 14 separate extractions on himself with pliers.

More typically, a lack of publicly-funded dentists means that growing numbers go private: 78 percent of private patients said they were there because they could not find a National Health Service (NHS) dentist, and only 15 percent because of better treatment.

"This is an uncomfortable read for all of us, and poses serious questions to politicians from patients," said Sharon Grant of the Commission for Patient and Public Involvement in Health.

Overall, six percent of patients had resorted to self-treatment, according to the survey of 5,000 patients in England, which found that one in five had decided against dental work because of the cost.

One researcher involved in compiling the study -- carried out by members of England's Patient and Public Involvement Forums -- came across three people in one morning who had pulled out teeth themselves.

Dentists are also concerned about the trend.

Fifty-eight percent said new dentists' contracts introduced last year had made the quality of care worse, while 84 percent thought they had failed to make it easier for patients to find care.

Almost half of all dentists -- 45 percent -- said they no longer take NHS patients, while 41 percent said they had an "excessive" workload. Twenty-nine percent said their clinic had problems recruiting or retaining dentists.
"These findings indicate that the NHS dental system is letting many patients down very badly," said Grant.
"It appears many are being forced to go private because they don't want to lose their current trusted and respected dentist or because they just can't find a local NHS dentist."

Sounds a lot like the DMV doesn't it?

but hey, it's FREE!!! :biglaugh:
 

Panda

42?
Premium Member
To everyone who want's universal healthcare because they have drank the socialist kool-aid, here is yet another story from the UK about the horror's of government healthcare.

How anyone thinks that the people who give us the DMV would do any better with healthcare in this country is beyond me...

English 'pull own teeth' as dental service decays




Sounds a lot like the DMV doesn't it?

but hey, it's FREE!!! :biglaugh:

You complain yet in the US everyone has to pay for it. I suggest you learn exactly what you are talking about before you comment on the NHS health care system. Did you ever think about all the people that get treated that in the US would just be left because they can't afford it? When I was younger I needed surgery on my eyes, it wasn't life threatening but it was to safe my sight. Now if my family lived in the US we wouldn't have been able to afford surgery, but since I live in the UK I got it entirely free. In fact ALL of my health care is free (under 18 and in full time education). At any time I can go see a doctor if I have a problem and it costs me nothing at all. Can you boast that? No of course you can't.

Your post it just more political rubbish and is not even close to reflecting on the benefits that come with government health care.
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The Dentistry system was changed a few years ago and about half the dentists left the Health service.
It is still far from what it used to be, and extra health service dentists are taking take time to train.
But if you present yourself at a hospital emergency department they have to sort you.
It will be about another five years till we are back to where we were before.
Many dentists have gone private and charge a fortune. and they also insist you sign on for an annual plan, before they will treat you... even if you offer cash.
There are no health service dentists at all in the Saddleworth area where I live.
Fortunately I have a health service dentist in Bradford I have used for the last 15 years. but it is a 70 mile round trip.:):eek::confused:
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
The Dentistry system was changed a few years ago and about half the dentists left the Health service.
It is still far from what it used to be, and extra health service dentists are taking take time to train.
But if you present yourself at a hospital emergency department they have to sort you.
It will be about another five years till we are back to where we were before.
Many dentists have gone private and charge a fortune. and they also insist you sign on for an annual plan, before they will treat you... even if you offer cash.
There are no health service dentists at all in the Saddleworth area where I live.
Fortunately I have a health service dentist in Bradford I have used for the last 15 years. but it is a 70 mile round trip.:):eek::confused:

My grandson is having Orthodontic work done privately, and it is a minimum $6000 process. It was/is free under national health If you can find an orthodontist to take you on.
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
You complain yet in the US everyone has to pay for it. I suggest you learn exactly what you are talking about before you comment on the NHS health care system. Did you ever think about all the people that get treated that in the US would just be left because they can't afford it? When I was younger I needed surgery on my eyes, it wasn't life threatening but it was to safe my sight. Now if my family lived in the US we wouldn't have been able to afford surgery, but since I live in the UK I got it entirely free. In fact ALL of my health care is free (under 18 and in full time education). At any time I can go see a doctor if I have a problem and it costs me nothing at all. Can you boast that? No of course you can't.

Your post it just more political rubbish and is not even close to reflecting on the benefits that come with government health care.


Are you trying to say the study is not accurate? :shrug:


PS. None of your healthcare is free, there is no such thing as free healthcare. I suggest you take your own advice above.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Fortunately I have a health service dentist in Bradford I have used for the last 15 years. but it is a 70 mile round trip.:):eek::confused:

It could be worse. We actually pay for our health coverage, and though I live in the interior of a metro area of around 5 million people, my insurance company has decided that for care outside of doctor's normal hours for non-ER services I should travel the same distance you do for your dentist.

I was trying to figure out why I had to take my son with the 104 degree fever on a 35+ mile trip when there are 3 doc-in-the-boxes within 5 minutes of my house.

And I pay for this crap.
 

Comprehend

Res Ipsa Loquitur
It could be worse. We actually pay for our health coverage, and though I live in the interior of a metro area of around 5 million people, my insurance company has decided that for care outside of doctor's normal hours for non-ER services I should travel the same distance you do for your dentist.

I was trying to figure out why I had to take my son with the 104 degree fever on a 35+ mile trip when there are 3 doc-in-the-boxes within 5 minutes of my house.

And I pay for this crap.

They pay for their crap too.

there is no such thing as free healthcare.

There is no such thing as free healthcare.

There is no such thing as free healthcare...

(rinse and repeat)
 

rojse

RF Addict
They pay for their crap too.

there is no such thing as free healthcare.

There is no such thing as free healthcare.

There is no such thing as free healthcare...

(rinse and repeat)

But the point of universal healthcare is that low-income earners are able to receive healthcare that they could not if it was all privately-based, and the money that they pay for it, through taxation of their wages, is far less than what it actually costs.

Although free healthcare does not exist, I do agree, cheap healthcare for the poor does.

Perhaps you should see what the American healthcare system is like in Michael Moore's documentary, Sicko.

You say that you prefer the American healthcare system? I prefer Australia's, where I can receive medical attention for many different medical conditions without having to pay for it.
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
To everyone who want's universal healthcare because they have drank the socialist kool-aid, here is yet another story from the UK about the horror's of government healthcare.

How anyone thinks that the people who give us the DMV would do any better with healthcare in this country is beyond me...

English 'pull own teeth' as dental service decays




Sounds a lot like the DMV doesn't it?

but hey, it's FREE!!! :biglaugh:

Nice. One gaping problem with your arguement, though. The UK doesn't back dentists like it does other doctors. I know libertarian [capitalists] don't want to hear it, but what we need is more socialism!

Kool-aid indeed. :D
 

mcteethinator

Idiosyncratic Muslim
What you don't realize is that in the UK, there are still private hospitals. So all the people who want better health care could get better healthcare, and people who would otherwise have no healthcare would at least have healthcare. You conservatives would rather have a couple of million people with no health insurance, then a couple of hospital sob stories?
 

Aqualung

Tasty
Yeah, it's lots better than people whose teeth are rotting out of heir heads because they can't afford a dentist.

At least it's not EVERYBODY'S teeth rotting out of their head because they can't see the dentist because they lines are so long. Better a few people have their teeth rot than more people.
 

Zephyr

Moved on
What you don't realize is that in the UK, there are still private hospitals. So all the people who want better health care could get better healthcare, and people who would otherwise have no healthcare would at least have healthcare. You conservatives would rather have a couple of million people with no health insurance, then a couple of hospital sob stories?
Oh sweet, private hospitals! So you can pay for both hospitals while just receiving services from the private one? Or can you just opt out of the socialized healthcare and only pay for the private hospitals?
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
At least it's not EVERYBODY'S teeth rotting out of their head because they can't see the dentist because they lines are so long. Better a few people have their teeth rot than more people.

Are you saying everyone who lives in countries with socialized dentistry have rotting teeth? As I said the UK doesn't back dentists like they do other doctors.
 

mcteethinator

Idiosyncratic Muslim
Oh sweet, private hospitals! So you can pay for both hospitals while just receiving services from the private one? Or can you just opt out of the socialized healthcare and only pay for the private hospitals?

Well you still pay taxes that go towards the public hospitals. But there are private hospitals for people to go to if they dislike the public system.
 

Ever learning

Active Member
But the point of universal healthcare is that low-income earners are able to receive healthcare that they could not if it was all privately-based, and the money that they pay for it, through taxation of their wages, is far less than what it actually costs.

Although free healthcare does not exist, I do agree, cheap healthcare for the poor does.

Perhaps you should see what the American healthcare system is like in Michael Moore's documentary, Sicko.

You say that you prefer the American healthcare system? I prefer Australia's, where I can receive medical attention for many different medical conditions without having to pay for it.

I agree. We used to have universal healthcare over here and we were only taxed, that was nothing in comparison what we do have to pay now.:rolleyes:
As for the american healthcare system, I was certainly not impressed with it 10 years ago. But from the way it looks, we are on our way in the same direction over here.:rolleyes:
 

Mathematician

Reason, and reason again
We already have socialized medicine. It's called the ER.

It's also more expensive than preventative health care. The third alternative would be doctors refusing operations based on income.
 
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