Misconception:Why Allah is "He" in the Quran Translation? (my requwst to all)

[summia]

I hav came across during my discussion here at the forum and I hav noticed about this topic is really rising question among non Muslims.
I can bear my insult, it’s Okay, I can apologize whether I’m at the mistake or not…..
But I can’t bear about What Non_Muslims insulting the name of Allah Almighty by saying different Phrases such as “If Allah has beard, if he is he”. As on this thread....

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...t=55364&page=2


It is such a cursing words about Allah Almighty and This Thread is to clearly mention all my religious fellows about this misconception:

Quran was revealed in Arabic not in English or any other language:

In Arabic language word “He” is “Huwwa” هُوَ
And
“She” is mentioned as “Hiyya” هِيَ
And there is no verse in Quran that uses the word “Huwwa” for Allah Almighty but it rather uses the word “Huwwa al” هُوَٱلْ

or “Huwwa (some praise about Allah Almighty)” وَهُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُyou can check in different verses.

(112:1)
قُلْ هُوَ ٱللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
(59:22-24)
هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لاَ إِلَـٰهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ عَالِمُ ٱلْغَيْبِ وَٱلشَّهَادَةِ هُوَ ٱلرَّحْمَـٰنُ ٱلرَّحِيمُ

هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلَّذِي لاَ إِلَـٰهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ ٱلْمَلِكُ ٱلْقُدُّوسُ ٱلسَّلاَمُ ٱلْمُؤْمِنُ ٱلْمُهَيْمِنُ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْجَبَّارُ ٱلْمُتَكَبِّرُ سُبْحَانَ ٱللَّهِ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ
هُوَ ٱللَّهُ ٱلْخَالِقُ ٱلْبَارِىءُ ٱلْمُصَوِّرُ لَهُ ٱلأَسْمَآءُ ٱلْحُسْنَىٰ يُسَبِّحُ لَهُ مَا فِي ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَٱلأَرْضِ وَهُوَ ٱلْعَزِيزُ ٱلْحَكِيمُ

(3:1)
ٱللَّهُ لاۤ إِلَـٰهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ ٱلْحَيُّ ٱلْقَيُّومُ

Why Explanations of Quran mentions Allah as “He”?

When someone translate Quran, then it mentions in his commentary like similar words
“Although I’m not illegible to Translate Quran coz I can’t express Allah’s words in my language but it just a little try for those who don’t know read and write”
If you not found these words then you can ask to any Scholar (Who translated Quran) about this matter. He will surly say that
“You MUST understand Arabic to totally understanding of Quran”.

Sense about using “He” for Allah Almighty:

There is no English word to express the person (or you may say “personality terms&#8221 for God. There is none!
We can choose either first person, second person or third person. And most better choice is choosing “He” for Allah almighty not “he”…..

What is the difference between “He” and “he”?

The different between “He” and “he” is:
“He” represent “Proper noun” (means only He is someone special not other like Him)
“he” represent “common noun” (means many are like him, he can be any one)
whenever you look the Translation os Holy verses of Quran it will use the English word “He” for Allah Almighty not “he”…..

My request:

Allah Almighty is neither “He” nor “She” but “only one, nothing equal to him”
وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهُ كُفُواً أَحَدٌ
So, I hope you wil avoid while using these cursing Phrases about Allah Almighty.

Editted:

For clearification see post number 59

 

[Runt]

Do you mean to say that Allah is not male? That people only use a masculine pronoun to describe Allah for the sake of convenience (and, perhaps, lack of a better term?)

If Allah is not male or female, why is Allah not referred to using a neutral pronoun, such as "It"?

 

[wizanda]

The Quran from my own brief look into Arabic, is in a mess....many point like this are over looked due to the language barrier to English and why it is said the Quran should be in Arabic.....there are masculine and feminine in Arabic and so many points are missed in translation.
Even went as far as removing all those brackets added, after not finding the words in Arabic….wrote an Article on it as many of the Addition were old English and so am very curious, who made that translation to sound so false...
Like written traditions passed down have been corrupted by our forefathers….so why we all need the mustard seed, to look out side the box of preconditioned learning.

 

[rojse]

Is there a non-gender third person word that we can use when discussing God, which is both male and female? The word "it" seems inappropriate.

 

[ChristineES]

I don't believe that God has a gender, so if someone calls Him a Her, it doesn't bother me at all. But then again, people have told me I am unusual (they actually used the word "strange")

 

[Jaymes]

I'm not quite sure I understand you... do you want us to stop referring to God as "he" and "she", or capitalize "He" and "She", or what?

 

[jamaesi]

I highly doubt G-d cares if you call G-d "he" or "she" or even "He" or "She" as G-d really hasn't a sex or gender. I don't even think G-d would be bothered by being called "it" or "It." These aren't "cursing phrases." They're pronouns and they fail miserably at expressing G-d anyway.

There's no capitals in Arabic and, above all, capitalising a letter doesn't force or make or mean respect.

 

[summia]

Do you mean to say that Allah is not male? That people only use a masculine pronoun to describe Allah for the sake of convenience (and, perhaps, lack of a better term?)

If Allah is not male or female, why is Allah not referred to using a neutral pronoun, such as "It"?

Allah Almighty don't use "It" coz Allah Almighty is not "It"
coz we know in English "It" is used for "Un-living things (Un breathing things such as Chair etc etc)" or IT is used for "Animals"
How can be Allah Almighty's personality Translated in "it"!

second reason:

If you are fimiliar with Arabic then there is no neutral pronoun in Arabic such as "It"

 

[summia]

The Quran from my own brief look into Arabic, is in a mess....many point like this are over looked due to the language barrier to English and why it is said the Quran should be in Arabic.....there are masculine and feminine in Arabic and so many points are missed in translation.

Points are not missed, Wazanda!
Really it is because of ununderstanding of Arabic language. If you know the spirit of Arabic then surly you will never say so.
Yeah! here one point is so important:

Why Quran is in Arabic:

Muhammad pbuh was an Arabic man and he didn't know how to read or write. and Quran was revealed at the time when poeple were Arabic around Muhammad pbuh. Although there were Jews in madina but their own language was Arabic in Madina (Saudi Arabia)
Allah Almighyt revealed Arabic Quran to make them understand in their own language.
If you think why Allah Almighyt didn't think about English people then My fellow!
English people were born later when Quran revealed, And Allah ALmighty knows the best about them (If these people can progress in every field of life then why not in Scriptural languages?)
It is not difficult to gain the knowledge about Arabic.....

Even went as far as removing all those brackets added, after not finding the words in Arabic…

I ca understand, these words really not in Arabic text but if someone put word to word Arabic Translation then what will happen with the poeple like you???
They will come again to ask what this means>>
So, for explaining Allah's word these brackets are necessary to quote, or other wise poeple can conclude different meanings of the text according to their concoiusness.
Conciousness is not same in all individuals....

.wrote an Article on it as many of the Addition were old English and so am very curious, who made that translation to sound so false...

If you hate old english the you can prefer new english Translation, there are many....
for example "The Reformist Translation of Quran" or "Translation of Quran by yusuf Ali"

Like written traditions passed down have been corrupted by our forefathers….so why we all need the mustard seed, to look out side the box of preconditioned learning.

Quran has not changed during 14 centuries, Yes, and you can check any source there will be no one that claim about "Quran has changed"
About Bible it is true coz their own people claim that they have writen it with their own hands but not in case of Quran....
If you not satisfy then you can make research by your own!

 

[summia]

Is there a non-gender third person word that we can use when discussing God, which is both male and female? The word "it" seems inappropriate.

No there ios none in Arabic language!
There is none for the substitution of "it" in Arabic coz Arabic genders are only two
Mesculaine or Feminine...
There is no neutral gender in Arabic.

In English Translation "it " can't be used coz "it" is used for "non living (non breathing things)" or "Animals"......

 

[summia]

I don't believe that God has a gender, so if someone calls Him a Her, it doesn't bother me at all. But then again, people have told me I am unusual (they actually used the word "strange")

I don't think so for you my fellow!

 

[summia]

I'm not quite sure I understand you... do you want us to stop referring to God as "he" and "she", or capitalize "He" and "She", or what?

Nay, i don't mean to stop calling God "He"
I hav clearly mentioned in the first paragragh of OP

I hav came across during my discussion here at the forum and I hav noticed about this topic is really rising question among non Muslims.
I can bear my insult, it’s Okay, I can apologize whether I’m at the mistake or not…..
But I can’t bear about What Non_Muslims insulting the name of Allah Almighty by saying different Phrases such as “If Allah has beard, if he is he”. As on this thread....

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...t=55364&page=2

 

[summia]

I highly doubt G-d cares if you call G-d "he" or "she" or even "He" or "She" as G-d really hasn't a sex or gender. I don't even think G-d would be bothered by being called "it" or "It." These aren't "cursing phrases." They're pronouns and they fail miserably at expressing G-d anyway.

There's no capitals in Arabic and, above all, capitalising a letter doesn't force or make or mean respect.

your feeling are admireable, but Fellow!
If you don't cares then it means My thread is not adressing to you, i hav clearly mentioned in my OP in the first paragragh

I hav came across during my discussion here at the forum and I hav noticed about this topic is really rising question among non Muslims.
I can bear my insult, it’s Okay, I can apologize whether I’m at the mistake or not…..
But I can’t bear about What Non_Muslims insulting the name of Allah Almighty by saying different Phrases such as “If Allah has beard, if he is he”. As on this thread....

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum...t=55364&page=2

These aren't "cursing phrases

“If Allah has beard, if he is he
Do you thin this is not cursy pharase for Allah Almighty?
Starnge of you, Khalila :flirt:

There's no capitals in Arabic and, above all, capitalising a letter doesn't force or make or mean respect

You r right, there is no Capitals in Arabic but THERE IS IN ENGLISH.....
as regard as the matter of RESPECT, Kahlila! I'm not talking about those who respect,
I'm talking about those who take this issue to disrespect Allah's name....

 

[Jaymes]

Nay, i don't mean to stop calling God "He"
I hav clearly mentioned in the first paragragh of OP

Yes, I read that. I still don't understand what you're saying. What do you want us to do? What is it that was done that was insulting in that quote? You said you didn't want us to stop calling him "he", but in the quote that was all I could find that could possibly be objectionable. So what's the deal?

 

[summia]

Yes, I read that. I still don't understand what you're saying. What do you want us to do? What is it that was done that was insulting in that quote? You said you didn't want us to stop calling him "he", but in the quote that was all I could find that could possibly be objectionable. So what's the deal?

In fact I have came accross many threads here that rising the Question about "Why God is He is Quran Translation"

And regaring this matter differnt people were thoughing comments for Allah Almighty.



For Muslims side "Allah Almighty is one and nothing compareable to him"

IF someone say "He in cluckling in the beard, if he is "he" "
Then I can't bear God' Insult. and I think It is not against rule one must not degrade in what anyone believe!

If you don't wish to do so the It means My adress is not for you, I respect for positive thinkers

 

[YmirGF]

In fact I have came accross many threads here that rising the Question about "Why God is He is Quran Translation"

And regaring this matter differnt people were thoughing comments for Allah Almighty.

For Muslims side "Allah Almighty is one and nothing compareable to him"

But dear Summia, why exactly should we care what you and other Muslims think on this matter. It is not as if you have an undisputable vision of God after all. Summia no one who has EVER lived has proven that "god" even exist and yet you insist that we bow to your specific viewpoint. That is both illogical and irrational. I am sure you realize that though as you are a bright young lady.

IF someone say "He in cluckling in the beard, if he is "he" "
Then I can't bear God' Insult. and I think It is not against rule one must not degrade in what anyone believe!

Shouldn't we let God decide if he is insulted or not or do you claim to know what God wants? Your assertion is both presumptuous and somewhat arrogant.

If you don't wish to do so the It means My adress is not for you, I respect for positive thinkers

Oh I get it. So, what you are saying is that if people do not agree with you then we should just keep quiet because your view is correct and obviously no one else has the slightest idea what they are talking about. When this is dovetailed with your insistance that you are here to learn one can only conclude that you are being a teeny bit disengenuous. Since you are a clever nymph you can understand that this is a somewhat myopic stance to take and in essence you are demanding that we speak within the confines of dhimmitude. Sorry, I do not bow to dhimmitude.

For your edification:

myopia

Main Entry: my·o·pia Pronunciation: \mī-ˈō-pē-ə\ Function: noun Etymology: New Latin, from Greek myōpia, from myōp-, myōps Date: circa 1752
1 : a condition in which the visual images come to a focus in front of the retina of the eye resulting especially in defective vision of distant objects
2 : a lack of foresight or discernment : a narrow view of something


Dhimmitude:

Bat Yeor's definition:

"As for the concept of dhimmitude, it represents a behavior dictated by fear (terrorism), pacifism when aggressed, rather than resistance, servility because of cowardice and vulnerability. The origin of this concept is to be found in the condition of the Infidel people who submit to the Islamic rule without fighting in order to avoid the onslaught of jihad. By their peaceful surrender to the Islamic army, they obtained the security for their life, belongings and religion, but they had to accept a condition of inferiority, spoliation and humiliation. As they were forbidden to possess weapons and give testimony against a Muslim, they were put in a position of vulnerability and humility."

Robert Spencer author of the The Myth of Islamic Tolerance defines dhimmitude as :

Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. :flirt:

 

[summia]

But dear Summia, why exactly should we care what you and other Muslims think on this matter. It is not as if you have an undisputable vision of God after all. Summia no one who has EVER lived has proven that "god" even exist and yet you insist that we bow to your specific viewpoint. That is both illogical and irrational. I am sure you realize that though as you are a bright young lady.

Shouldn't we let God decide if he is insulted or not or do you claim to know what God wants? Your assertion is both presumptuous and somewhat arrogant.

Oh I get it. So, what you are saying is that if people do not agree with you then we should just keep quiet because your view is correct and obviously no one else has the slightest idea what they are talking about. When this is dovetailed with your insistance that you are here to learn one can only conclude that you are being a teeny bit disengenuous. Since you are a clever nymph you can understand that this is a somewhat myopic stance to take and in essence you are demanding that we speak within the confines of dhimmitude. Sorry, I do not bow to dhimmitude.

No No Sir, I don't think so!
Here is a clear rule first rule of the forum

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That's what I said, and I not only said but I "request" at my OP

 

[summia]

It is not as if you have an undisputable vision of God after all. Summia no one who has EVER lived has proven that "god" even exist and yet you insist that we bow to your specific viewpoint.

Do you wish to debate me at "Is God exists or not"
I'm ready...

Are you agree if you are true???

 

[summia]

For your edification:

myopia

Main Entry: my·o·pia Pronunciation: \mī-ˈō-pē-ə\ Function: noun Etymology: New Latin, from Greek myōpia, from myōp-, myōps Date: circa 1752
1 : a condition in which the visual images come to a focus in front of the retina of the eye resulting especially in defective vision of distant objects
2 : a lack of foresight or discernment : a narrow view of something


Dhimmitude:

Bat Yeor's definition:

"As for the concept of dhimmitude, it represents a behavior dictated by fear (terrorism), pacifism when aggressed, rather than resistance, servility because of cowardice and vulnerability. The origin of this concept is to be found in the condition of the Infidel people who submit to the Islamic rule without fighting in order to avoid the onslaught of jihad. By their peaceful surrender to the Islamic army, they obtained the security for their life, belongings and religion, but they had to accept a condition of inferiority, spoliation and humiliation. As they were forbidden to possess weapons and give testimony against a Muslim, they were put in a position of vulnerability and humility."

Robert Spencer author of the The Myth of Islamic Tolerance defines dhimmitude as :

Dhimmitude is the status that Islamic law, the Sharia, mandates for non-Muslims, primarily Jews and Christians. Dhimmis, “protected” or “guilty” people, are free to practice their religion in a Sharia regime, but are made subject to a number of humiliating regulations designed to enforce the Qur'an's command that they "feel themselves subdued" (Sura 9:29). This denial of equality of rights and dignity remains part of the Sharia, and, as such, are part of the legal superstructure that global jihadists are laboring through violence to restore everywhere in the Islamic world, and wish ultimately to impose on the entire human race. :flirt:

:sad:
Sir, i don't know why are you pointing me every time...
I hav not done any loss of you....
And I'm constanly Tolerating your behaviour...
You always come at my post and points out my behavior....
*sniffle*
I was just putting what I know...
I hav not claim that "agree what I say"
I just made the request....

 

[Runt]

Allah Almighty don't use "It" coz Allah Almighty is not "It"
coz we know in English "It" is used for "Un-living things (Un breathing things such as Chair etc etc)" or IT is used for "Animals"
How can be Allah Almighty's personality Translated in "it"!

second reason:

If you are fimiliar with Arabic then there is no neutral pronoun in Arabic such as "It"

Although the word "it" is used in English most often in reference to inanimate objects and animals, we also commonly use the word to refer to human beings whose gender we do not know (sometimes we'll call an unborn baby "it" before the child's sex is determined) and concepts of the divine (Brahman and Tao are both commonly referred to with the word "it" for example.) Although "it" may seem impersonal and somewhat disrespectful, I think "It" (capitalized) may be appropriate when referring to Allah, if Allah lacks gender and yet possesses a personality. The only other options I can think of are referring to Allah is He or She (both of which are misleading), he or she (both of which you find disrespectful), it (which you find extremely disrespectful) or Allah (which can get redundant very quickly in a conversation).

Here is a clear rule first rule of the forum

I don't think referring to Allah with a lowercase pronoun or an incorrect pronoun constitutes a breach of the forum rules.