The Second Coming of Christs

[xexon]

No, its not a typo.

I will argue the church has it wrong.

What is referred to in the bible as the second coming of Christ is not about Jesus as a singular person.

Its about a segment of humanity reaching spiritual maturity ahead of the masses that aren't quite ready yet. These people are going to be much like myself. They use no holy books to guide them, but rely upon personal revelation to illumine the road ahead.

This will bring them into conflict with those that limp along on religious blind faith alone.

This is the true Armageddon.

How say ye?


x

 

[lew0049]

the prophecies found within the Bible, specifically Isaiah, illustrate that following Jesus is not blind faith.

 

[FatMan]

No, its not a typo.

I will argue the church has it wrong.

What is referred to in the bible as the second coming of Christ is not about Jesus as a singular person.

Its about a segment of humanity reaching spiritual maturity ahead of the masses that aren't quite ready yet. These people are going to be much like myself. They use no holy books to guide them, but rely upon personal revelation to illumine the road ahead.

This will bring them into conflict with those that limp along on religious blind faith alone.

This is the true Armageddon.

How say ye?


x

I have found that those who claim to have spiritual maturity are either con artists or exhibit a rare brand of smug cluelessness. Usually they do this by wowing people with mystical "revelations" to try and start a new congregation where they can ultimately profit from this "unique knowledge".

I certainly hope that these are not the people comprising the next coming.

 

[doppelganger]

Christ's resurrection occurs in each heart reborn to the world outside of inherited forms - the heart opened to express compassion and glimpse, through our smudged mirror, transcendence of the arbitrary lines that define "this" and "that."

The Second Coming is not a "future" event. The Second Coming is the ever emerging now for the ages. As I to wait for it or look for it, I have already missed it.

Christ is One.

maranatha

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

I agree with Xexon.

I find it quite interesting how people go ad-homenum the moment someone dares to go against their beliefs. The most interesting aspect of this, is that those people are the ones that are lying to themselves the most, therefore they get angry. Getting angry is always internal, never from an external source. When you get angry, you are originating that feeling because of a given standard on which you judge others and therefore, yourself.

 

[xexon]

I'm not selling anything, Fatman, I'm giving.

I have no desire of a congregation or anything along those lines. I prefer to travel light. No temples. No books. No paid staff. No gift shops. No theme parks. No TV stations.

Good news travels by itself.

x

 

[FatMan]

I'm not selling anything, Fatman, I'm giving.

I have no desire of a congregation or anything along those lines. I prefer to travel light. No temples. No books. No paid staff. No gift shops. No theme parks. No TV stations.

Good news travels by itself.

x

I never addressed you in my response, so I have not made any judgements regarding what you are or aren't selling.

What I said is: "I have found that those who claim to have spiritual maturity are either con artists or exhibit a rare brand of smug cluelessness." That is my experience. And I certainly hope if that is the type of person who will be the Second Coming, I will happily not join them.

 

[Popeyesays]

Actually, I mostly agree. The Second Coming is thirteen hundred years ago. The Third coming is 164 years ago and the Fourth Comingnot quite 145 years ago.

Next one due around 2860.

Regards,
Scott

 

[lew0049]

Actually, I mostly agree. The Second Coming is thirteen hundred years ago. The Third coming is 164 years ago and the Fourth Comingnot quite 145 years ago.

Next one due around 2860.

Regards,
Scott

Its interesting about the Baha view on this considering Baha's believe that Baha himself was a greater manifestion than all of the other prophets - yet Islam, the mother religion of Baha would never accept Baha as greater than Muhammad or in Christianity, as greater than Christ. Its almost a Catch 22 b/c the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Way, Truth and Light and the exact representation of God - yet Baha is the "Desire of the World"
And you can look at Moses for example, who was extremely monotheistic whereas Krishna was polytheistic. These messengers can definitely all be wrong yet they cannot all be true.

 

[doppelganger]

These messengers can definitely all be wrong yet they cannot all be true.

Of course they can all be true. You can't judge one's "truth" without passing over the perspective of the person who sees that truth.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I will argue the church has it wrong.

*yawn*

 

[wizanda]

*yawn*

Rev 3:16-22
(16) So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
(17) Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
(18) I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
(19) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
(20) Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
(21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
(22) He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

 

[Popeyesays]

Its interesting about the Baha view on this considering Baha's believe that Baha himself was a greater manifestion than all of the other prophets - yet Islam, the mother religion of Baha would never accept Baha as greater than Muhammad or in Christianity, as greater than Christ. Its almost a Catch 22 b/c the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Way, Truth and Light and the exact representation of God - yet Baha is the "Desire of the World"
And you can look at Moses for example, who was extremely monotheistic whereas Krishna was polytheistic. These messengers can definitely all be wrong yet they cannot all be true.

Both Baha`u'llah and Muhammad say one must not elevate One Manifestation above Another. The Bab and Baha`u'llah DO stipulate that Baha`u'llah is the beginning of another Prophetic Cycle. The Bab closed the Adamic Cycle. That does not place One above the Other, though.

Each manifestation had the same complete and perfect Knowledge of God--but each Prophet speaks only what God tells Him to Reveal. Thus one Manifestation might appear more important or less imnportant; but that is an appearance only.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Sonic247]

No, its not a typo.

I will argue the church has it wrong.

What is referred to in the bible as the second coming of Christ is not about Jesus as a singular person.

Its about a segment of humanity reaching spiritual maturity ahead of the masses that aren't quite ready yet. These people are going to be much like myself. They use no holy books to guide them, but rely upon personal revelation to illumine the road ahead.

This will bring them into conflict with those that limp along on religious blind faith alone.

This is the true Armageddon.

How say ye?


x

Here is a paradox: He that exalts himself shall be abased and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.

When God looks down from heaven on every person with his perfect judgement and righteousness what do you think he sees: he sees the poor, the sick, the ugly, the ones who don't have alot of gifts but have a good heart, are the ones God will exalt over those who exalt themselves. Is this group of people going to be humble, or help the poor- It seems like it is caught up in pride based on statements

likeThese people are going to be much like myself. They use no holy books to guide them, but rely upon personal revelation to illumine the road ahead.

This will bring them into conflict with those that limp along on religious blind faith alone.

 

[Willamena]

I agree with Xexon.

I find it quite interesting how people go ad-homenum the moment someone dares to go against their beliefs. The most interesting aspect of this, is that those people are the ones that are lying to themselves the most, therefore they get angry. Getting angry is always internal, never from an external source. When you get angry, you are originating that feeling because of a given standard on which you judge others and therefore, yourself.

Isn't "going ad-homenum" what you're doing in this post?

 

[Random]

The singular Christ vs. the Many Christs theory reminds me of Neo vs. Smith @ the end of the Matrix Revolutions: Neo is the One (Christ) and Smith with all his Smithy copies the many Christs. They fight and Neo tricks him into self-destruction, and in the end there is only One supreme enlightened being.

Get it? Good analogy? Yes, no, maybe?

 

[xexon]

Here is a paradox: He that exalts himself shall be abased and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.

When God looks down from heaven on every person with his perfect judgement and righteousness what do you think he sees: he sees the poor, the sick, the ugly, the ones who don't have alot of gifts but have a good heart, are the ones God will exalt over those who exalt themselves. Is this group of people going to be humble, or help the poor- It seems like it is caught up in pride based on statements

I understand your point of view, but allow me to clarify a few things.

You are presuming that claims of personal revelation are ego based. I'm not denying that some people do speak from their ego. But true revelation comes from beyond even the conscious mind. There is no real thinking involved. Its just there. I pick it up and package it and get it out the door to the best of my limited ability.

You literally become a hollow reed through which a divine wind blows. The "I" does not shape the message itself.

I have to use my ego to write and communicate with you because that is part of it's function. But it is not the origin of what I say here. The ego merely translates .

You speak of the poor and the sick and the downtrodden. So do I. I have not exalted myself above them or anybody else. If I appear bold, its because I'm standing neck deep in a current that attempts to push me back into place with the rest of the people.

I go against what most people here have believed for thousands of years.

So you see, its not a time for me to be a 98 pound weakling.

What I do, I don't do for myself. I care nothing for name or fame or wealth. But I've got something inside me that won't allow me to be silent. I am compelled to speak as a reed is compelled to speak by the wind that blows across it.

I won't interfere with free will. Nor will I condemn you to hell for not agreeing with me.

My purpose to give you options so you can make the best decisions you can about your own spiritual direction home.



x

 

[xexon]

The singular Christ vs. the Many Christs theory reminds me of Neo vs. Smith @ the end of the Matrix Revolutions: Neo is the One (Christ) and Smith with all his Smithy copies the many Christs. They fight and Neo tricks him into self-destruction, and in the end there is only One supreme enlightened being.

Get it? Good analogy? Yes, no, maybe?

You are not the first to make such a comparison. This movie does have subtle metaphysical overtones.


x

 

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Isn't "going ad-homenum" what you're doing in this post?

It could be, but I´m not reffering to anyone in particular. It may seem like it, but I´m reffering even to myself.

 

[Booko]

Its interesting about the Baha view on this considering Baha's believe that Baha himself was a greater manifestion than all of the other prophets - yet Islam, the mother religion of Baha would never accept Baha as greater than Muhammad or in Christianity, as greater than Christ. Its almost a Catch 22 b/c the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Way, Truth and Light and the exact representation of God - yet Baha is the "Desire of the World"

Firstly, the name is "Baha'u'llah" not "Baha"

Secondly, I would be interested to read your explanation of how Baha'is consider Baha'u'llah greater than all of the other prophets, when our texts have statements such as this:

These Manifestations of God have each a twofold station. One is the station of pure abstraction and essential unity. In this respect, if thou callest them all by one name, and dost ascribe to them the same attributes, thou hast not erred from the truth. Even as He hath revealed: "No distinction do We make between any of His Messengers." For they, one and all, summon the people of the earth to acknowledge the unity of God, and herald unto them the Kawthar of an infinite grace and bounty. They are all invested with the robe of prophethood, and are honored with the mantle of glory."

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 50)

You know, lew, if you want to take issue with something Baha'is believe, by all means do so. As a practical matter, it would help a lot if you were at least taking issue with something we actually believe.

The notion that we set Baha'u'llah up as greater than those Prophets who came before is...well...ahem...not something I've ever heard a Baha'i say in 20+ years.

"most recent" <> "greater"