In Genesis the plants were created before the sun moon and stars

[Eli G]

There is no small group of human geniuses oxygenating the air so that others can breathe it and not die; Rather, there are those who contaminate it... Nor is there a small group of scientists inventing rain to water the earth and then make it produce its fruit that we need so much; Rather, there is a group of those who pollute the land and even take over the water to sell it. There is no group of doctors who make the human body renew and heal naturally; Rather, there is a group that sells you medicines that don't cure you, and that you don't even really need...

It is not humans who maintain life on this planet despite the fact that other humans have done so much damage to it. It is the One who gave us the earth who maintains it, and feeds the animals that serve us later. Look at the sky and thank God, who is not going to let humans destroy this beautiful planet and everything it produces. Pray that He has mercy on you when He decides to ruin those who harm His creation without caring about anything... because He continues to give the evil one the opportunity to recognize what they are receiving from Him before He come for the last bill.

Don't be so ungrateful.

 

[excreationist]

....It is the One who gave us the earth who maintains it, and feeds the animals that serve us later....

What about when animals starve to death in a drought? Is God also responsible for that? Or is it chance?

 

[Kenny]

Just in case people didn't notice it before, this is what it says in Genesis 1:
View attachment 90402As you can see there are similarities between days 1 and 4, days 2 and 5, and days 3 and 6. See:

Framework interpretation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It has a kind of poetic structure so it might not be intended to be taken 100% literally and historically.

Young earth creationists take it literally and say that the original light source was God and it was then replaced on day 4. Then in Revelation this reverts back:
Revelation 21:23

Revelation 22:5

It is a problem for old earth Thercreationists though they would say that on day 3 the plants were receiving light from the sky but the sun moon and stars only became distinct in the sky a long time later. (day-age theory)

https://www.oldearth.org/old_earth_creationism.htm

Btw I’ve heard YECs say that God didn’t create the sun first to not place a lot of importance on it since some people worshipped the sun.

Revelation 21:23​

New King James Version​

23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [a]in it, for the [b]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light​

There are still things yet to discover as you mentioned

 

[Eli G]

Don't be ridiculous. Why would God be guilty of the misfortunes that men cause?

 

[excreationist]

Don't be ridiculous. Why would God be guilty of the misfortunes that men cause?

You seemed to say that when animals are fed it is thanks to God.... when they starve perhaps God has some kind of excuse - like it is due to the curse - when is because of sin....

 

[Eli G]

You seemed to say that when animals are fed it is thanks to God....

Are you the one who feeds them? What do you think wild animals live on?

Or, rather, are humans responsible for the destruction of entire species of animals?

 

[excreationist]

Are you the one who feeds them? What do you think wild animals live on?

Or, rather, are humans responsible for the destruction of entire species of animals?

When God feeds the animals (the ones that don't starve to death) does he supernaturally intervene?

 

[Eli G]

Again repeating the same? Are you for real?

In their own wild environment no animal eliminates another species completely, because they do not eat out of vice or kill for the sake of killing... and they even live together at certain times when they are satiated or find solace after a long drought. Sometimes some even help each other, out of pure instinct. And then humans come and ruin everything.

 

[YoursTrue]

Revelation 21:23​

New King James Version​

23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine [a]in it, for the [b]glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light​

There are still things yet to discover as you mentioned

wonderful scripture, thank you, Kenny. Love to you and your wife.

 

[YoursTrue]

When God feeds the animals (the ones that don't starve to death) does he supernaturally intervene?

Mankind has certainly been guilty of ruining much of the atmosphere, and that includes that of animals.

 

[YoursTrue]

When God feeds the animals (the ones that don't starve to death) does he supernaturally intervene?

As I looked at the video with David Attenborough (not sure of spelling), I have never seen such a clear portrayal of the symbiotic relationship between animals and plants in the desert. If you get a chance to see it, I suggest you take the time to look at it. Thrilling.

 

[YoursTrue]

Again repeating the same? Are you for real?

In their own wild environment no animal eliminates another species completely, because they do not eat out of vice or kill for the sake of killing... and they even live together at certain times when they are satiated or find solace after a long drought. Sometimes some even help each other, out of pure instinct. And then humans come and ruin everything.

There have been some lovely pictures of animals that might be considered enemies, yet fabulously and sweetly getting along with one another. We can understand the scriptures to one day be fulfilled, where lamb and lion will literally get along.

 

[Eli G]

Mankind has certainly been guilty of ruining much of the atmosphere, and that includes that of animals.

Even though many atheists mention for fun a supposed divine responsibility for microbes, bacteria and other microorganisms that do harm human health, the truth is that these organisms should have lived in their own natural environments without being touched, and thus would not have affected humans while doing the work for which they were created.

Even so, under the direction of the kingdom of God, humans in the future will receive instructions that they must follow to avoid harm of this kind. How much we need the elevated education that the Creator of everything can offer us!!!

Is. 11:6 The wolf will reside for a while with the lamb,
And with the young goat the leopard will lie down,
And the calf and the lion and the fattened animal will all be together;
And a little boy will lead them.
7 The cow and the bear will feed together,
And their young will lie down together.
The lion will eat straw like the bull.
8 The nursing child will play over the lair of a cobra,
And a weaned child will put his hand over the den of a poisonous snake.
9 They will not cause any harm
Or any ruin in all my holy mountain,
Because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah
As the waters cover the sea.
10 In that day the root of Jesʹse will stand up as a signal for the peoples.
To him the nations will turn for guidance,
And his resting-place will become glorious.

 

[Audie]

When God feeds the animals (the ones that don't starve to death) does he supernaturally intervene?

Manna.
From Heaven.
I've heard about that.

 

[Eli G]

Compare this to the illustration of a son who does not want to follow his father's instructions in his house. The father tells him that if he is not going to follow his instructions then he has to leave his house, because he is not willing to suffer the harm that his son may cause or cause to himself under his own responsibility and because of underestimating the education of his father.

If that son suffers illnesses as a result of his bad behavior, he hurts himself and suffers, laments, dies... is it his father's fault?

Why do atheists try to blame a god they don't believe in, and are so incapable of assuming that much of the damage to the planet and humanity is their own responsibility ... for having abandoned their heavenly Father?

 

[YoursTrue]

Your Bible quotes seem to be from the Jehovah Witnesses' Bible:

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/b/r1/lp-e/nwt/1/1#study=discover

Like I said if it is so obvious that you are correct why is it that YEC organisations always say the sun, moon, and stars were created on day 4?

In actuality, another site (Bible.cc) has Hebrew/English translation. So Genesis 1:1 has create (or bara--Hebrew) there. And Genesis 1:16 at the interlinear has 'made' there (awah), not created, as Genesis 1:1 says. You can check it out. It has many commentaries and translations.

 

[excreationist]

In actuality, another site (Bible.cc) has Hebrew/English translation. So Genesis 1:1 has create (or bara--Hebrew) there. And Genesis 1:16 at the interlinear has 'made' there (awah), not created, as Genesis 1:1 says. You can check it out. It has many commentaries and translations.

There are a few beliefs that are based on single (or a few) Bible verses.... like the gap theory which says there could have been billions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. It's impressive how flexible the Bible can be.

 

[Eli G]

There are a few beliefs that are based on single (or a few) Bible verses.... like the gap theory which says there could have been billions of years between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. It's impressive how flexible the Bible can be.

Less than missing links in the doctrine of the evolution. Don't you think?

 

[YoursTrue]

I appreciate the recognition of the different Hebrew words at Genesis 1:1 and 1:16.

 

[excreationist]

Less than missing links in the doctrine of the evolution. Don't you think?

Actually I believe we're probably in a simulation and there is a God that isn't obvious. I think the simulation might only begin at a snapshot rather than each simulation being explicitly based on billions of years. I think plausible evolutionary trees can be found in the fossil record.