Hamas and Hospitals… Exposed

[Samael_Khan]

Not all Palestinians, of course. The majority of Palestinians elected Hamas. Immediately following Hamas went to war with their the political enemies. The Palestinians respect this, they seem to love it.

Here's a crowd gathered around a pair of Palestinians who were executed without trial and hung from a tower. The crowd is loving this. This is Palestinian culture. It's how they are raised.

It's not that I don't have sympathy on them. I do. But if someone is pointing a rifle at me, if they are pointing a rifle at my family, I will do what needs to be done. I will do it as quickly and as painlessly as possible. But I will not, and should not hesitate to wait for them to pull the trigger.

"A Palestinian mob can be seen in the videos abusing the bodies and hanging them on an electric pole as crowds surrounded the area, screaming "You traitors!" N12 reported."

Hamas executes three West Bank Palestinians for 'spying for Israel'

Their execution was later confirmed to have been committed by a firing squad, according to a document published by Hamas's military wing in the West Bank.

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The Palestinians are raised for the purpose of killing innocent Israelis. Here's video footage of a Palestinian terrorist shooting into a car. Then there's a parade and honor given to the murderer. This is Palestinian culture. You won't find this among Israelis.

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Here's a children's program teaching the children to hate. Notice the reference to Al-Aqsa. That's important because the Oct. 7th atrocities were named after it.

Naturally some dispute the translations here, but, there's so much anti-jewish content in the program it's very likely the translation is correct. Some dispute whether they actually say "annihilate the Jews", but, they cannot dispute "defend with our souls and our blood", that part is clear. The video I watched with these screenshots had an Arabic speaker confirming the translation.

Tomorrow's Pioneers - Wikipedia

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Here's another scene where they accuse The Jews "Yahudah" of killing everyone.

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Dude, did the children vote for Hamas?

Also, these photos dont show the majority of Palestinians. So how can you say that Palestinians are like this when even your own evidence isnt supporting it? It is easy to just show the negatives of a few and brush everybody with a broad stroke. And how do you know whether Israel even killed the people that are in league with these people you are showing?

And how is Israel indoctrinating jewish children to hate Palestinians?

 

[dybmh]

Are you planning to mediate the Middle East conflict in this forum?

My intention is to defend the Israeli and Jewish people from defamation and libel. Also, I think it can be shown that the Palestinians are victims of propaganda, they are being manipulated and programmed by some extremely dangerous individuals. The world community appears to be simultaneously victims of this same propaganda and complicit in propagating it.

Well...

According to the Gaza health authorities, over 19,400 Palestinians have been killed in the enclave since the start of Israel’s retaliation for Hamas’ deadly terror attacks on 7 October, about 70 per cent of them women and children.

Welcome to forum, and thank you for your participation.

My quote which you are replying to is an sequence of comments see below:

At every opportunity for peace, they [Palestinians] choose warfare. Not regular warfare. The worst of the worst atrocities.

Please note, we are discussing "the worst of the worst".

More like Israelis have to cope with what they are doing to the Palestinians

The problem I see repeatedly is that critics equate Israel's actions with what happened to them even though they don't have facts to support it. That's why I asked...

What atrocities are those?

So, what I'm asking is: what are these "worst of the worst" atrocities that are being perpetrated against Palestinians by the Israelis? The answer is: there aren't any.

You have quoted the number of Palestinians killed. But those who are innocent among the dead are certainly not intentionally killed. That is a major difference which distinguishes an atrocity from a wartime tragedy.

The Israeli government warned the Gazans, and 1.8 million heeded that warning. Telegraphing and disclosing the military strategy to the enemy is dangerous. Disclosing it compromises the effectiveness of their objectives, but, they do it anyway because it's the right thing to do. Israel consistently has been doing this in spite of the increased risk throughout the conflict.

What do the Palestinians do? They intentionally attack the innocent. They intentionally torture the innocent. The innocent who gave lost their lives among Gazans are a tragedy, but they're deaths are not atrocities. They're certainly not among the worst of the worst.

The Hamas fighters were wearing GoPro style cameras. They recorded their rape and murder of innocent women. It is likey the purpose is to use the videos for recruiting and training young men to be rapists. That is "worst of the worst".

Probably all the children were Hamas

Well. We don't actually know, because these are numbers released by Hamas. Children could be 17,16,15.... It could be their parents wanted the children to become martyrs. I don't know. But their deaths were not intentional. They were not intentionally tortured and raped.

But, the children are being raised to hate.

 

[libre]

So they're politicians, right? Do you believe them without checking the facts?

I pointed out that over 600 First Nation's chiefs and their chosen representatives unanimously voted to affirm Palestinians as an Indigenous people and called for a permanent ceasefire and this is the best response you can come up with? The recognized leadership of over 600 Nation bands coming out to support Palestine unanimously, and this is the slop you can produce in response?

You brought up native Americans and doing them right.
Accordingly, you should have to reckon with the fact that it is the colonial governments that are protecting Israel in the United Nations and that Indigenous peoples around the world are calling for continued ceasefire. Why do you think that is exactly?

 

[dybmh]

did the children vote for Hamas?

May I ask, what do you think is happening to the Palestinian children? What atrocities do you think are being perpetrated against them by Israel?

these photos dont show the majority of Palestinians

If course not.

how can you say that Palestinians are like this when even your own evidence isnt supporting it?

It's the fact Hamas was elected. They executed their political rivals . The Gazans did not do anything about it. They are having parades and festivals celebrating the terrorists who *actually* murder indiscriminately. They are teaching their children to hate. They are encouraging their children to perpetual war.

Granted they are operating under false pretenses. Granted any that stand up in opposition are murdered. But in other nations with tyrant oligarchs, the citizens do not behave the way the Palestinians are behaving. That's because they are rallying around the demonization of Israel and the Jews.

 

[Kenny]

Video didn't open here (UK).
You knew it all along?

Yes

I don't think you can blame any but the IDF leadership for the deaths of civilians in Gaza.

Sure I can. As another posted has posted here, there are weapons in every building that is connected by the multi-billion dollars tunnels. So they pop in one place as civilians, shoot, put the guns down, leave as civilians until they pop up in another place. For that matter, you wouldn’t even know if it was a civilian or not. You may be classifying a casualty of war as “a civilian” and he/she could be a Hamas fighter.

As I have noted before, there is a big difference between going into cities and killing every living being which included children and shooting at terrorists and civilians are present because they didn’t heed the warnings of Israel and/or they just stood by there as they saw missiles being set up and released.

So, I can blame Hamas

They seem to be quite trigger happy, even killing Jewish hostages who were waving white flags.

Horrible outcome but I can only assume you have never been on the battlefield

Edit.....ah, it opened at last. Prisoners will tell anything required, especially of they are expecting a beating or death.

Yes… except there are tunnels and weapons in the hospital of which he was a part of. There is a difference between someone saying something under duress and a free-flowing statement. IMV

 

[dybmh]

I pointed out that over 600 First Nation's chiefs and their chosen representatives unanimously voted to affirm Palestinians as an Indigenous people and called for a permanent ceasefire and this is the best response you can come up with?

That doesn't mean that they are correct. You believe them? Why? What are your reasons for trusting their judgement? What facts did they use to produce that conclusion? Do you know?

You seem to assume that Israel is a colonizer but, you don't seem to have facts to back that up. It makes sense to make the assumption, it could be that the First Nations are making the same assumptions. It's still a false assumption.

For example: do colonizers purchase land, or, do they take it? As I posted in another recent thread, Jewish people have been buying land from the indigenous people for quite a long time, and the Jewish people are continuing to purchase the land. That's not colonization. That's commerce.

But this doesn't stop the propaganda. Palestinians will label us, demonize us ( jewish people). People believe it and parrot it, but, they, the ones parroting the propaganda, don't know the reasons why those they trust are taking an anti-israel position.

That's why I'm asking you: do you know the reasons for the leadership of the First Nations to take their anti-israel position? Do you even know your own reasons? Is there anything to it other than a strongly held belief that we ( zionists ) are colonizers? Did you know the land is being legally purchased?

 

[dybmh]

You brought up native Americans and doing them right.

What I said is, we Americans need to cope with what we did to the native people. Primary among that is the consistent treachery and breaking of treaties. Guess who broke the peace agreement in this current conflict?

Accordingly, you should have to reckon with the fact that it is the colonial governments that are protecting Israel in the United Nations and that Indigenous peoples around the world are calling for continued ceasefire.

It's not a popularity contest. Just because you have labeled a government "colonial" that doesn't mean anything. It's name calling.

Maybe it's meaningful to you, but, name calling isn't a reason. Name calling isn't an argument.

Why do you think that is exactly?

I don't know, to be honest. If I were to guess, I think they are listening to propaganda and not checking facts. It seems to be an epidemic.

Also these leaders are politicians. Their priorities often are to represent a popular opinion. Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's true. Just because a nation has it's origins as a colonizer, it doesn't mean the current leaders are still operating in that manner

 

[dybmh]

And how is Israel indoctrinating jewish children to hate Palestinians?

The way you're asking the question sounds like you're assuming that Israel is indoctrinating jewish children. Am I right?

But you don't have any facts to support it? Am I right?

The reason I'm confident of this is because I actively seek out opposition to my position. I am looking for reasons to hate Jewish people and hate Israel. If Israel was actively indoctrinating Jewish children, the Palestinian media would be publicizing it to anyone who will listen, and the whole world is listening.

More than that, if you pay attention to the public opinion of israeli's there is active pro-palestinian advocacy. The Israeli supreme Court has taken a pro-palestinian position in opposition of Netanyahu. If there is Jewish indoctrination the behavior of Israeli citizens would be different.

 

[беспокойный путешественни]

If Israel was actively indoctrinating Jewish children, the Palestinian media would be publicizing it to anyone who will listen, and the whole world is listening.

Wide parts of the world have been indoctrinated to believe that Israel is always right and criticizing Israel is almost the same thing as the Holocaust, so no, the whole world is actively being turned away.

 

[Revoltingest]

I’m not surprised… we knew it all along but there are always those who deny the responsibility that Hamas has for what is happening to the innocent in Gaza.

Does Israel bear any responsibility for what it does?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I’m not surprised… we knew it all along but there are always those who deny the responsibility that Hamas has for what is happening to the innocent in Gaza.

I'm not sure what you think some interrogation video is supposed to prove. I laugh at those who consider that evidence. You don't know if anything he is saying is true, or if he has been threatened, tortured or made deals with them. They really have nothing, and are running out of wool to pull over people's eyes as they go from one media and intelligence face-plant to the next. Yawn.

 

[Bthoth]

Sad to see just how much bias remains.

10/7 would not have happened, if Israelis would stop the the terrorism imposed upon palestinians.

If retribution is what Israelis defenders believe is warranted, then they also must expect the same in return.

Both sides are human beings and equally expect justice.

 

[Samael_Khan]

That doesn't mean that they are correct. You believe them? Why? What are your reasons for trusting their judgement? What facts did they use to produce that conclusion? Do you know?

You seem to assume that Israel is a colonizer but, you don't seem to have facts to back that up. It makes sense to make the assumption, it could be that the First Nations are making the same assumptions. It's still a false assumption.

For example: do colonizers purchase land, or, do they take it? As I posted in another recent thread, Jewish people have been buying land from the indigenous people for quite a long time, and the Jewish people are continuing to purchase the land. That's not colonization. That's commerce.

But this doesn't stop the propaganda. Palestinians will label us, demonize us ( jewish people). People believe it and parrot it, but, they, the ones parroting the propaganda, don't know the reasons why those they trust are taking an anti-israel position.

That's why I'm asking you: do you know the reasons for the leadership of the First Nations to take their anti-israel position? Do you even know your own reasons? Is there anything to it other than a strongly held belief that we ( zionists ) are colonizers? Did you know the land is being legally purchased?

So colonizers both purchase land and take it. And this is also an aspect of the apartheid state.

In South Africa the colonizers encroached on land where the khoi and san were present. On occasion thet bought cattle from individual khoi, which was their wealth, yet most khoi did not agree with it and considered it an enfringement on khoi civilisation. Then the Dutch settlers antagonised them by emcroaching further into fertile land and blocking the khoi from letting their cattle graze there. This caused armed khoi resistence, which caused khoi defeat and the colonisers took more of their land through conquest, and justified it by saying that the khoi were evil and degenerate. This is how the colonisers bought and took khoi land and wealth destroying their civilisation.

Then again, under apartheid, the apartheid government enforced the group areas act which forced coloured and indian people out of communitied they then reserved for white people. And yes they did justify it by paying the people for their houses but it was at a lesser value. The people didnt want to go. But they had to, and were sent to areas that were lesser developed. So here the coloniser did buy the land but it wasnt just because they forced the others to sell.

When it comes to pushing people into a separate state that is supposedly self governed yet the coloniser state controls the basic resources the seperate state needs, this is exactly what the Bantustans were under apartheid. Apartheid ideology is separate development between ethnic groups or races but ultimately under the power of the dominant oppressive group. So the aim was for black people to have their own Bantustans and were able to vote in their own leaders and government. To the apartheid government this was just. Yet black people resisted, also with militant groups, even african countries got involved with the border wars, yet the apartheid government said they were evil for resisting. And they say that the Dutch were there first, that the land is their god given right, and that they didnt antagonise the lesser races.

 

[Samael_Khan]

May I ask, what do you think is happening to the Palestinian children? What atrocities do you think are being perpetrated against them by Israel?



If course not.



It's the fact Hamas was elected. They executed their political rivals . The Gazans did not do anything about it. They are having parades and festivals celebrating the terrorists who *actually* murder indiscriminately. They are teaching their children to hate. They are encouraging their children to perpetual war.

Granted they are operating under false pretenses. Granted any that stand up in opposition are murdered. But in other nations with tyrant oligarchs, the citizens do not behave the way the Palestinians are behaving. That's because they are rallying around the demonization of Israel and the Jews.

Israel is bombing palestinians which includes a lot of children. Also the collective punishment and apartheid, such as switching off their water and pushing them into Gaza, is a big problem.

Hamas was elected in the mid 2000s. Probably half the gazans alive today werent alive to even be apart of that vote.

Considering that the state of Israel is a coloniser and enforces apartheid on Palestinians, considering that Hamas is the only people fighting for Palestinians, I am not surprised that they have festivals for them. And I am not surprised that they are anti semitic since lots of zionists say that all jews who are against zionism are anti semitic.

But they do the same as the Israelis and many jews when it comes to Palestinians. Right here you are demonising Palestinians by conflating them with Hamas which lowkey justifies the indiscriminate killing of civilians in Gaza by Israel. So to me it is the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Kenny]

Does Israel bear any responsibility for what it does?

if they do something wrong… like

MSN

yes.

If they violate rules of engagement, they are responsible.

 

[Kenny]

I'm not sure what you think some interrogation video is supposed to prove. I laugh at those who consider that evidence. You don't know if anything he is saying is true, or if he has been threatened, tortured or made deals with them. They really have nothing, and are running out of wool to pull over people's eyes as they go from one media and intelligence face-plant to the next. Yawn.

How about the weapons, ammunitions, tunnel and video in and about the hospital...

does that help the gentlemen’s statements?

 

[Revoltingest]

if they do something wrong… like

MSN

yes.

If they violate rules of engagement, they are responsible.

Just graffiti & such minor violations?

 

[Kenny]

Just graffiti & such minor violations?

No… I am saying that when they are wrong… they are wrong. Defacing a Mosque is wrong; if they violate the rules of engagement they are wrong

However, when the Arab world is wrong, they are wrong...

this is the problem and not Israel

 

[Revoltingest]

No… I am saying that when they are wrong… they are wrong. Defacing a Mosque is wrong; if they violate the rules of engagement they are wrong

However, when the Arab world is wrong, they are wrong...

I'm not watching videos.
Also, yours has profanity visible.
Better fix that.

this is the problem and not Israel

This appears to conflict with your statement
that Israel does wrong. I infer that you give
Israel no responsibility for the massive death
& destruction. Just for graffiti?

 

[Kenny]

This appears to conflict with your statement
that Israel does wrong. I infer that you give
Israel no responsibility for the massive death
& destruction. Just for graffiti?

Apparently you have selective reading