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Challenge for those that believe in billions of years for the age of things. Give anything that is more than 6000 years old. NO ASSUMPTIONS ALLOWED.

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
More running scared.

Bible prophesies. I asked for details.
Here are some.

Explosion of knowledge in the last days. – Dan 12:4

Explosion in worldwide travel in the last days. – Daniel 12:4

Population explosion in the last days to the levels of today. – Rev 9:6

The technology to implement the mark of the beast available in the last days. – Rev 14-16

The technology to implement worldwide surveillance available in the last days. – Rev 14-16

The rise of global communications in the last days. – Rev 14-16

The rise of Asian powers in the last days. – Rev 16:12

Men becoming like women in the last days. – Jer 51:30, Jer 50:37, Isa 19:16

Women becoming like men in the last days. - Ezek 23:34

The rise of transgenderism in the last days. – Deut 22:5, Ezek 23:34, Isa 39:7

Abortion in the last days. – Rev 8:10-11, 1 King 11:7, 2 Kings 23:10, Jer 2:34

Political homosexuality becoming fierce. – Gen 19, Luke 17:28

The history of the church for the last 2000 years. – Rev 2-3

The ecumenical joining of denominations in the last days. This include the ECT and the Manhattan Declaration. – Rev 2-3, 17

The denial of the flood in the last days. – 2 Pet 2:5

The tongues movement since circa 1900. – 1 Cor 13,14, 2 Cor 11

The rise of science falsely called in the last days. – 1 Tim 6

A large falling away from the Christian faith. – 1 Tim 4, 2 Tim3, 2 Thess 2

The gospel corrupted in the last days. – Gen 6, 2 Cor 11

The rise of false prophets in the last days. – 2 Cor 11

Satan’s minsters transformed into the minsters of Christ. – 2 Cor 11

Enormous amounts of goods produced and the emergence of a worldwide trading system. – Rev 18

The emergence of a worldwide government. – Rev 14,17

The joining together of all these worldwide entities with the merchants of the world. – Rev 17

Satan appearing as an angel of light. This may explain the explosion of appearances of Mary. – 2 Cor 11

Many heeding he call for peace and safety, even with enemies they should not trust. – 1 Thess 5

The rise of the curious arts, even amongst those that profess faith in Christ. – Acts 19

The fulfillment of the last days description of people. - 2 Tim 3:1-5

People heaping teachers to their itching ears in the last days, even amongst those that profess faith in Christ. – 2 Tim 4

People tuning their ears from the truth in the last days, even amongst those that profess faith in Christ. – 2 Tim 4

Many churches in effect denying the Lord Jesus Christ that bought them. – 2 Peter 2

Secret societies having great influence in the last days. – Isa 28

The infiltration of churches and other organizations by deceivers in the last days. – 2 Tim 3

The rise of socialism in the last days. – Rev 17

Evil men and seducers waxing worse and worse. 2 Tim 3:13

Great delusion and deception in the last days. – 2 Thess 2

Even though all these things are happening, and all the Biblical predictions are coming true, most will not be aware.

A famine of hearing the word of God in the last days. – Amos 11

The removing of the death penalty in the last days. – Gen 6, Matt 24:38

The rise of violence and murder in the last days. - Gen 6, Matt 24:38

The rise of famous people having great influence. – Gen 6

The return of the Israelites to Israel. – Psalm 132:13-14, et al

A phenomenon where there is excessive rain in one city or area and drought in others. – Amos 4

The emergence of the European Union is the last days. – Dan 2

The rise and fall of the British Empire. – Rev 2-3

The drying up of the river Euphrates in the last days. – Rev 16:12

The change for the USA from owning much wealth to being in great debt. – Deut 28, Rev 3
The belief that man is an animal (evolution) in the last days. – Rev 14, 2 Thess 2

The ten waves of persecution of Christians by pagan Rome between 70 AD and 315 AD. – Rev 2

The toleration and then promotion of Christianity beginning around 315 AD. – Rev 2

The beginning of state-controlled churches in Rome circa 4th century. – Rev 2

The beginning of persecution of some Christians that would not join the state-controlled churches. – Rev 2

The corruption of scripture with Jerome’s Latin Vulgate. – Rev 2

The destruction of the western Roman Empire by supposed barbarians for corrupting the word. – Rev 2

The falling away of a part of Christianity with Lent and forbidding priests to marry. – 1 Tim 4

The control of the Catholic Church of Europe and its Inquisitions. – Rev 2

The black plague to break the power of the Catholic Church. – Rev 2

The famine in the early 1300s to break the power of the Catholic Church. – Rev 2

The forbidding of possessing the Bible for layman, and in their own language. – Rev 2

The protestant reformation including the 95 theses of Luther. – Rev 3

The joining of church and state for Protestant churches. – Rev 3

The persecution by Protestant churches joined with the state of various other Christian groups. – Rev 3

The failure of the Protestant churches to remove all the errors of the Catholic Church, especially sacraments. – Rev 3

The further falling away of the Protestant churches in the last several decades. – Rev 3

The removal of the rapture of the church from many statements of faith in the last days. – Rev 3, 1 Thess 5

The corruption of scripture with the new bible versions in the last 60 years. – 2 Cor 2

The granting of freedom to Christians with the signing of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution in Philadelphia. – Rev 3

The 501c3 sell out to the US government for money by many churches. – Rev 3

Not obeying Christ by reading 1 Thess to all the holy brethren. – 1 Thess 1

Not obeying Christ by not marking and avoiding. – Rom 16

Not obeying Christ by not preaching all doctrine, in season and out of season. – 2 Thess 4

The Catholic mass as a sacrifice to devils, fellowship with devils and the table and cup of devils. – 1 Cor 10

The rise of the Textus Receptus based Bibles in the languages of people and the ability to have them. – Rev 3

The rise of the English empire and language so that the King James Bible and the gospel of Christ would be available around the world. – Rev 2-3

The fall of the English empire because they corrupted the Bible with the RSV in 1881. – Rev 2-3

The beginning of the fall of the US empire because they corrupted the Bible with the new versions starting in 1960s. – Rev 3

The golden cup of the Catholic Church in the hand of the great harlot. – Rev 17

All the dead bones in many Catholic churches and cathedrals around the world. – Matt 23:27

The last days scientists ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the true. -2 Tim 3:7

All the different heresies throughout various denominations. - 1 Cor 1, Rev 2-3

The rise and fall of the Romans Empire. - Dan 2

The rise and fall of the Greek Empire – Dan 2

The rise and fall of the Persian Empire – Dan 2

The rise and fall of the Babylonian Empire – Dan 2

The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple circa 70 AD.

Famine in various places in the last days. – Matt 24:7

Wars and rumors or wars in the last days. – Matt 24:6

People being afraid of the changes coming upon the earth in the last days. – Luke 21:25-26

The rise of idolatry, witchcraft, and sorcery in the last days. – Acts 19:19

The rise in hatred of the saved by many in the last days. – Matt 10:22, Matt 24:9

The rise of flooding in the last days. – Matt 24:7

The rise of pestilences in the last days. – Math 24:7

The rise of earthquakes in various places. – Matt 24:7

Many of man’s inventions are destructive. – Psalm 99:8

Jesus Christ fulfilled over 400 prophecies from the OT. The odds against that happening are 2^2000 to 1.

Over 2000 prophecies from the Bible have already been fulfilled. The remainder are for a future time. That odds against that are over 10^20,000 to 1.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Just the facts from me.

There are over 3400 non redundant proteins just in the retina of man.
There is no way that could not have evolved.
Another argument from ignorance that foolishly puts the burden of proof upon you.

All we need to do is say "Prove it". When all you can do is to run away and hide your ignorant argument du jour has been refuted by your own inability to support it.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
What was the first living creature and what features did it have?
How was it able to divide itself? The protective layer must also divide and then close.

What was its food source? How did it remove waste? How did it repair itself? How did these things move in and out of the protective layer since they must be gated.

Please explain how it was ever able to reproduce itself.
I doubt you'll get any decent answers -- cause they just don't know and will excuse themselves because -- they may say it was so long ago -- and say anyway that no scientist really knoiws...although some may try but -- :)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I doubt you'll get any decent answers -- cause they just don't know and will excuse themselves because -- they may say it was so long ago -- and say anyway that no scientist really knoiws...although some may try but -- :)
Really? You are making false claims about other posters. And one thing that he does not understand and that you do not seem to understand is that asking unjustified questions is not a refutation.

He is not being honest in those questions. First off he will not answer the same sorts of questions about his God, He even tried to claim that does not disprove God. The problem is that if silly questions do not refute God then silly questions about evolution do not refute it.

Worse yet, many of his questions have been answered and he ignores the answers.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Here are some.

Explosion of knowledge in the last days. – Dan 12:4

Explosion in worldwide travel in the last days. – Daniel 12:4

Population explosion in the last days to the levels of today. – Rev 9:6

The technology to implement worldwide surveillance available in the last days. – Rev 14-16

The rise of global communications in the last days. – Rev 14-16

The rise of Asian powers in the last days. – Rev 16:12

Men becoming like women in the last days. – Jer 51:30, Jer 50:37, Isa 19:16

Women becoming like men in the last days. - Ezek 23:34

The rise of transgenderism in the last days. – Deut 22:5, Ezek 23:34, Isa 39:7

Abortion in the last days. – Rev 8:10-11, 1 King 11:7, 2 Kings 23:10, Jer 2:34

Political homosexuality becoming fierce. – Gen 19, Luke 17:28

The denial of the flood in the last days. – 2 Pet 2:5

The rise of science falsely called in the last days. – 1 Tim 6

A large falling away from the Christian faith. – 1 Tim 4, 2 Tim3, 2 Thess 2

The gospel corrupted in the last days. – Gen 6, 2 Cor 11

The rise of false prophets in the last days. – 2 Cor 11

Enormous amounts of goods produced and the emergence of a worldwide trading system. – Rev 18

The emergence of a worldwide government. – Rev 14,17

The joining together of all these worldwide entities with the merchants of the world. – Rev 17

Many heeding he call for peace and safety, even with enemies they should not trust. – 1 Thess 5

The rise of socialism in the last days. – Rev 17

Even though all these things are happening, and all the Biblical predictions are coming true, most will not be aware.

A famine of hearing the word of God in the last days. – Amos 11

The removing of the death penalty in the last days. – Gen 6, Matt 24:38

The rise of violence and murder in the last days. - Gen 6, Matt 24:38

The rise of famous people having great influence. – Gen 6

The return of the Israelites to Israel. – Psalm 132:13-14, et al

A phenomenon where there is excessive rain in one city or area and drought in others. – Amos 4

The emergence of the European Union is the last days. – Dan 2

The rise and fall of the British Empire. – Rev 2-3

The drying up of the river Euphrates in the last days. – Rev 16:12

The change for the USA from owning much wealth to being in great debt. – Deut 28, Rev 3
The belief that man is an animal (evolution) in the last days. – Rev 14, 2 Thess 2

Wars and rumors or wars in the last days. – Matt 24:6

People being afraid of the changes coming upon the earth in the last days. – Luke 21:25-26

The rise in hatred of the saved by many in the last days. – Matt 10:22, Matt 24:9

The rise of flooding in the last days. – Matt 24:7

The rise of pestilences in the last days. – Math 24:7

The rise of earthquakes in various places. – Matt 24:7
Like you said, even though all these things are happening, and all the Biblical predictions are coming true, most will not be aware.

What are the last days? The last days are right before and after Christ returns. The end of the age is ushered in by the return of Christ.
All the things you listed above have happened so that means that Christ has returned, and that is what most people are unaware of.
Jesus Christ fulfilled over 400 prophecies from the OT. The odds against that happening are 2^2000 to 1.

Over 2000 prophecies from the Bible have already been fulfilled. The remainder are for a future time. That odds against that are over 10^20,000 to 1.
Jesus fulfilled many OT prophecies but He did not fulfill all of them, and He did not fulfill 'any' of the prophecies you listed above. Since all of those prophecies have already been fulfilled that means that Jesus is not the messiah of the Old Testament that the Jews and Christians have been waiting for who would fulfill those prophecies. Since they have already been fulfilled that means another person who was the return of Christ and the messiah of the end times was slated to fulfill them. Logically speaking, Jesus cannot return in the future and fulfill prophecies that have already been fulfilled by another person.

Some of the OT and NT prophecies have already been fulfilled by the person who was the return of Christ. They happened shortly before He returned and after that and they are still happening now. Other prophecies are yet to be fulfilled but they will all be fulfilled during this new age, which will last no less than 1000 years from when Christ returned.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Like you said, even though all these things are happening, and all the Biblical predictions are coming true, most will not be aware.

What are the last days? The last days are right before and after Christ returns. The end of the age is ushered in by the return of Christ.
All the things you listed above have happened so that means that Christ has returned, and that is what most people are unaware of.

Jesus fulfilled many OT prophecies but He did not fulfill all of them, and He did not fulfill 'any' of the prophecies you listed above. Since all of those prophecies have already been fulfilled that means that Jesus is not the messiah of the Old Testament that the Jews and Christians have been waiting for who would fulfill those prophecies. Since they have already been fulfilled that means another person who was the return of Christ and the messiah of the end times was slated to fulfill them. Logically speaking, Jesus cannot return in the future and fulfill prophecies that have already been fulfilled by another person.

Some of the OT and NT prophecies have already been fulfilled by the person who was the return of Christ. They happened shortly before He returned and after that and they are still happening now. Other prophecies are yet to be fulfilled but they will all be fulfilled during this new age, which will last no less than 1000 years from when Christ returned.
Circa now is the last days.
About 6000 years since the 6 day creation and 2000 years since the resurrection of Christ
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Wow!! @ratiocinator , I had no idea that you were in the business of transporting people back into their ancestral homes. Is this a full time job, or did you return the Jews to Israel just on weekends?
Psalm 132:13-14
13 For the Lord has chosen Zion,
he has desired it for his dwelling, saying,
14 “This is my resting place for ever and ever;
here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.

These verses do not say that the Jews will return to Israel, that is an interpretation.
This is another example of a Christian interpreting verses to mean what they do not say.

However, there are other Bible verses that say that the Jews will return to Israel:

“24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:24–28)

The meaning of the term ‘times of the Gentiles’ is familiar and clear to Bible scholars. It denotes that period of time during which Jerusalem will be held in the power of non-Jews (or Gentiles), and during which the Jews themselves would be excluded from their homeland.

In plain words, Christ promised that He would return to earth when the Jews came back to their homeland following their period of banishment. Thus, in the hour of their return, the ‘times of the Gentiles’ would be fulfilled.

This has already happened indicating that Christ has returned.
The Edict of Toleration, was issued by the governing authorities in the year 1844. This included the Holy Land, Palestine. The Turkish Government agreed to permit religious freedom and signed the document that guaranteed to prevent henceforward any further religious intolerance. For the first time in twelve hundred years the Jews were guaranteed the right to return to Israel in freedom and security. The date on this document was 21 March 1844.

Edict of Toleration 1844
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
That is what I said. The last days are right before and after Christ returns.
We are living in the days after Christ returned.
Still to come. Christ to rapture His church, the shortened 7 year tribulation, the return of Christ to destroy the wicked an reign for 1000 years with a rod of iron, a new heaven and a new Earth and then eternity,

This also could never have evolved.

 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
Still to come. Christ to rapture His church, the shortened 7 year tribulation, the return of Christ to destroy the wicked an reign for 1000 years with a rod of iron, a new heaven and a new Earth and then eternity,
I'm still waiting for you to give me the chapter and verse for the bible prophecy that talks about the James Webb Telescope. Or did you make that up?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Still to come. Christ to rapture His church, the shortened 7 year tribulation, the return of Christ to destroy the wicked an reign for 1000 years with a rod of iron, a new heaven and a new Earth and then eternity,
You are free to believe that since you have free will. However, Jesus never promised to return to earth and reign, not once in the New Testament. Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world. That means that the return of Christ has to be another Person.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.​
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.​
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.​
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.​

Jesus also said that that His kingdom was not of this world.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.​
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.​

These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.” (John 17:11)
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
I'm still waiting for you to give me the chapter and verse for the bible prophecy that talks about the James Webb Telescope. Or did you make that up?
Of course James Webb is not mentioned by name.

But "knowledge shall be increased" (Daniel 12:4)
And "ever learning and never being able to come to the knowledge of the truth." (2 Tm 3:7)
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Psalm 132:13-14
13 For the Lord has chosen Zion,
he has desired it for his dwelling, saying,
14 “This is my resting place for ever and ever;
here I will sit enthroned, for I have desired it.

These verses do not say that the Jews will return to Israel, that is an interpretation.
This is another example of a Christian interpreting verses to mean what they do not say.

However, there are other Bible verses that say that the Jews will return to Israel:

“24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. 25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:24–28)

The meaning of the term ‘times of the Gentiles’ is familiar and clear to Bible scholars. It denotes that period of time during which Jerusalem will be held in the power of non-Jews (or Gentiles), and during which the Jews themselves would be excluded from their homeland.

In plain words, Christ promised that He would return to earth when the Jews came back to their homeland following their period of banishment. Thus, in the hour of their return, the ‘times of the Gentiles’ would be fulfilled.

This has already happened indicating that Christ has returned.
The Edict of Toleration, was issued by the governing authorities in the year 1844. This included the Holy Land, Palestine. The Turkish Government agreed to permit religious freedom and signed the document that guaranteed to prevent henceforward any further religious intolerance. For the first time in twelve hundred years the Jews were guaranteed the right to return to Israel in freedom and security. The date on this document was 21 March 1844.

Edict of Toleration 1844
You are probably right. I was having some fun since that was one of the "prophecies" that somehow @ratiocinator fulfilled.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
So basically your prophecy is merely saying that some one at some point in time will learn something?
No, not at 'some point in time." At a certain point in time, at the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Daniel Chapter 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
13 But go thou thy way till the end be; for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

Note that Dan 12:13 says "at the end of the days.” This chapter is about what will happen at the time of the end of an age, when Christ returns.

12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

Baha’is believe that the 2,300 years came in 1844 and the book was unsealed by Baha’u’llah. That math is explained in Some Answered Questions, 10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL

Unsealing the Book means we can now understand what much of the Bible means that could never be understood before by reading the Baha’i Writings, thus fulfilling the prophecy in Daniel 12:4 that knowledge shall be increased. It also means that scientific and all other kinds of knowledge will be increased.
 
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