King Phenomenon
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Who committed atrocities to Native Americans? Let us start putting the blame where it belongs, on Europe. It wasn’t this country.
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History
- Thread starter King Phenomenon
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The aboriginals began by committing atrocities among themselves.
Europeans made it more systematic.
And USA made it wholesale.
I'll just leave this here:
This country did not exist when the blankets of death were given to the natives.
1763–64: Britain wages biological warfare with smallpox
https://www.nlm.nih.gov/nativevoice...minated,his replacement, General Thomas Gage.History is not for ...............putting blame.
Viker
Häxan
History does indicate responsibility for actions of historical figures. It does indicate any and all actions for or against people. It can be used then to assign such responsibility to those responsible for any and all actions.
You are correct. History can be used to impose responsibility to recorded or historical events.
Should the honest soul hate the writers of bible for making so many mistakes that have mislead us all?
The people who did the terrible things are long dead.
The countries are different from what they were.
Blame is pointless when it falls on dead ears.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Trail of Tears - Wikipedia
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
That's the thing; nobody is blaming the living, but those who identify with the dead feel like they're also being blamed and cry foul.
Not necessarily "putting blame," although history should make an honest attempt to show the causes and effects of human events.
And the message is often....
People have done terrible things.
Don't do those terrible things again.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The main problem is revisionist history. Revisionist history is when we judge the past, from the 20/20 hindsight of a future, that the past was not aware of.
It would be better if you could time travel and walk a mile in the shoes of their past, based on what they knew in their time. I like to read historical fiction to get a sense of the times. They are not responsible for their own real time fate as it unfolds.
The analogy and contrast is watching live sports versus being the Monday morning quarterback who has all the answers after the game is done. The day before, everyone is up in the air during the game. All your hopes and dreams are possible until fate decides and the reruns play.
If you lived back in those days, there was no internet, no TV, no radio, no cell phones, no satellite images, etc. Your world was very close to you; walking distance. There were books and newspapers, but the Americas were new and being explored. It was more about survival, since the movement west had many hazards along the way and people spread out, you became more vulnerable to bandits and other predators. You did what was needed to protect your family and yourself; Wild West being tamed.
It would be better if you could time travel and walk a mile in the shoes of their past, based on what they knew in their time. I like to read historical fiction to get a sense of the times. They are not responsible for their own real time fate as it unfolds.
The analogy and contrast is watching live sports versus being the Monday morning quarterback who has all the answers after the game is done. The day before, everyone is up in the air during the game. All your hopes and dreams are possible until fate decides and the reruns play.
If you lived back in those days, there was no internet, no TV, no radio, no cell phones, no satellite images, etc. Your world was very close to you; walking distance. There were books and newspapers, but the Americas were new and being explored. It was more about survival, since the movement west had many hazards along the way and people spread out, you became more vulnerable to bandits and other predators. You did what was needed to protect your family and yourself; Wild West being tamed.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
You mean like how conservatives are trying to censor what's being taught in history classes?
King Phenomenon
Well-Known Member
Older Kids should learn of all the sick past of the whole world
Augustus
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Perhaps one of the least significant things in 500 years of conflicts involving all kinds of diverse groups, most of whom are not particularly admirable be they native or colonial.
An action by a single person that if it happened likely had little to no effect.
But “biological warfare” sounds impressive so it gets repeated as some kind of atrocity rather than a hare brained scheme of some bellend.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Exactly, but some want to brush it under the rug because they relate to the perpetrators of injustice for some reason.
There is a difference between hating someone and holding someone accountable for their actions and learning from their mistakes.
Augustus
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Revisionist history is making new arguments about history based on new or existing evidence.
Almost all accepted history was originally revisionist. It’s not intrinsically a pejorative term (although many people seem to think it is).
What you are describing is presentism.
It is estimated that 95 percent of the indigenous populations in the Americas were killed by infectious diseases during the years following European colonization, amounting to an estimated 20 million people.
Simple search just to see the HISTORY