The Globe Earth is Heresy - let's talk!

[Flat Earth Kyle]

So if how the sun works on a flat earth model is off topic the topic must be how your intertretation of the Bible is highly flawed, and dead wrong.

I guess the sun moves around a flat earth, along with the stars and other "flat" planets. That was Aristotle's model of the universe. But he accepted globes as what planets' shapes are. Heck the ancient Greeks knew we lived on a globe, well before the Christians who would later interpret the Bible in a way that defied all measurements and observations, not to mention the lack of observations of things like an EDGE.

That doesn't answer my question and it seems we are speaking past each other now.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Hiya Kyle, I will not comment on the veracity of your presentation however I thought you might enjoy exploring the Noble Qur'an for more evidence of flat earth, what, cosmology? There are numerous passages that support the idea of a flat earth.

I spoke with a guy awhile back who wrote a book about it highlighting many passages on that very topic!.

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[Flat Earth Kyle]

He's a stubborn one, and now wants to argue that we're in a dome, based on his observing the zenith and seeing the atmosphere bend around the curvature of the Earth.

The firmament, I've got a thread active providing proof for that.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

My opinion is that the terms flat earth and science should never be used in the same sentence, as I consider the conjunction to be an oxymoron.

It sounds like you really trust the government then. Am I correct to assume you are triple vaxxed by now?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

As I understand it, only the high priesthood of the Mayans knew and understood that it was the clocklike movements of the solar system that caused the eclipses and other phenomenon. The rest of the populace believed the gods were asking for willing sacrifices.

¹My point here being the priests (writers) are often telling the masses 'beliefs' that they themselves did not prescribe.

@Flat Earth Kyle
To play devil's advocate to the OP, I can see how the above could possibly be the case with The Bible the priesthood who wrote it. Perhaps they were intentionally trying to teach the masses the literality of the firmament and shape of things.

The Mayans were flat earthers and yeah their ability to predict astronomy was outstanding.
P.S. the devil is the one pushing people to not believe in the Bible but rather to believe in the big bang spinning space ball.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The Mayans were flat earthers and yeah their ability to predict astronomy was outstanding.
P.S. the devil is the one pushing people to believe we live on a spinning space ball.
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The Devil is a myth. A Christian one. It is not even a proper Jewish concept.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Science can prove something to such a degree that treating it as if it is not a fact would be silly, but It doesn't work with absolutes.

So you acknowledge that the earth could be flat?

 

[Secret Chief]

I spoke with a guy awhile back who wrote a book about it highlighting many passages on that very topic!.

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You should change this link as it states: "Flat Earth is an archaic and scientifically disproven conception of the Earth's shape as a plane or disk."

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you acknowledge that the earth could be flat?

Didn't you see the word "silly"?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

You should change this link as it states: "Flat Earth is an archaic and scientifically disproven conception of the Earth's shape as a plane or disk."

YouTube doesn't like flat earthers and openly admits their algorithms are stacked against them. They've been putting wiki warnings on all my content for years.

 

[Subduction Zone]

YouTube doesn't like flat earthers and openly admits their algorithms are stacked against them. They've been putting wiki warnings on all my content for years.

Nah, people are just bored with the crazies on YouTube.

 

[Nimos]

So you acknowledge that the earth could be flat?

No.

Could Earth become flat as a pancake in the future for whatever unknown reason, maybe, but there is no reason to assume that to be the case.

I don't get the impression that you really understood what I was trying to explain.

In one of the other replies, I wrote this to you "Science doesn't simply prove something right or wrong, it is a misunderstanding a lot of people make. Science tells us what is definitely not true".

That the Earth is flat falls in the category of something "definitely not being true". A lot of people (educated) already knew this back then.

Have you ever heard of Eratosthenes?

If not then he was the first to calculate the circumference of the Earth and based on wiki he was born in 276 BC and died in 194 BC. But his experiment can be seen here.

What it shows is him measuring the shadows at two places, Alexandria and Syrene at the same time. Based on that he could calculate the circumference of the Earth. You can read more about this experiment if you want to know all the details. But the interesting thing is, that the way the shadows fall at these two places demonstrates that the Earth is round, they couldn't fall like that on a flat Earth.

This experiment was done almost 2500 years ago and our equipment for measuring these things has become much better, so if the Earth was flat we would know.

So Earth is definitely not flat!!, that doesn't mean that it will stay spherical forever, that is again what I mean by science not working in absolutes.

If you want to have any chance of convincing anyone that the Earth is flat, you have to demonstrate it. Make a testable experiment (using correct science, as flat earth people often use the wrong ones) that demonstrates that the Earth is flat. As I also told you earlier, nothing is gained from disproving the main science, it doesn't automatically make you correct, you still have to demonstrate your own theory. And if Earth is indeed flat, then it should be fairly easy to come up with an experiment that demonstrates it.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

Have you ever heard of Eratosthenes?

Oh, yes I have very much heard of Eratosthenes!

Are you willing to sacrifice his claim to the light from the sun being parallel or sacrifice how umbra and penumbra work?

We can open an entire thread dedicated to that topic if you wish.

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE OP INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT...

 

[Secret Chief]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF PEOPLE WOULD ACTUALLY TALK ABOUT THE OP INSTEAD OF TRYING TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT...

"Scientists and researchers who study this growing movement have found that its appeal is rooted in four trends: the public’s mistrust of official scientific sources, the perpetuation of conspiracy theories, loyalty to the groups and community they identify with, and the use of social media to spread misinformation."
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[Nimos]

Oh, yes I have very much heard of Eratosthenes!

Are you willing to sacrifice his claim to the light from the sun being parallel or sacrifice how umbra and penumbra work?
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We can open an entire thread dedicated to that topic if you wish.

But this is completely off the scale, that is a problem with these things.

What does umbra and penumbra have to do with this? And why did you place the moon in front of the Earth, when that has nothing to do with the experiment?

 

[Flat Earth Kyle]

What does umbra and penumbra have to do with this? And why did you place the moon in front of the Earth, when that has nothing to do with the experiment?

Umbra and penumbra exist because the light from the sun is not parallel, do you agree?
Just for you I'm opening a new thread for Eratosthenes then we can stay on topic here.

ERATOSTHENES DID NOT PROVE THE EARTH IS A GLOBE!

The Eratosthenes experiment works on a flat earth with a small local light source. The Eratosthenes experiment depended on all the light from the sun being parallel, but even the globe model claims it is not!

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[Dan From Smithville]

Yes it does.

So what. The Bible isn't a science book. The authors were people and people are not omniscient. Isn't what you are suggesting a form of idol worship of the Bible?

Brian Cox and Einstein said the effect of gravity is an illusion. Einstein directly called it a fictitious force and they taught that the effect of gravity is actually caused by the earth accelerating upwards. If you have China going in one direction at the rate things fall and the U.S. going in the opposite direction at the rate things fall, which is a steadily increasing rate, it wouldn't take long from them both to be going in opposite directions at the speed of light. I think that would be pretty noticeable. I can provide citations and substantiate my claims on that which is the most potent part of my statement. If you want we can open another thread on gravity and talk about that there I would be more than happy to provide my references.
On this thread I would like to focus on what the Bible says.

There are a lot of true things that are not written in the Bible and that is okay.

Why do you consider it OK. Do you feel that omission is a free pass. How do you know they aren't mentioned for the reason that they should be avoided?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

The firmament, I've got a thread active providing proof for that.

Perhaps it is that you don't have a very good understanding of claims, arguments, evidence and proof. I didn't see anything that was well supported or would lead to a meaningful rejection of a spherical Earth without a dome over it.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It sounds like you really trust the government then. Am I correct to assume you are triple vaxxed by now?

Are you an anti-vaxxer too?

I have often observed that people that don't seem to want to listen to others are often proponents of telling others what they should think, demanding to be followed without question. It's an interesting dichotomy isn't it?