Isaiah 53 and Human Sin

[rosends]

need a Klondike bar".
now that book chapter and verse for that third temple....... YIKES!

101G.

same as the one for Jesus's mention.

 

[rosends]

expectations? ok, show in your Tanakh where God expect a third Temple to be built

101G.

So you didn't read what I linked to? OK, that's not surprising. You should stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

 

[101G]

The house of the Lord, the house of God, is not a normal house. It is the temple. Here's a good example making the distinction and defining the term.

2 Samuel 12:20

Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his garment, and came to the house of the Lord, and bowed down; then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he ate.​

did the same God say build a third Temple? book chapter and verse please.

101G.

 

[101G]

So you didn't read what I linked to? OK, that's not surprising. You should stop before you embarrass yourself any further.

so, we can take this as you have no scripture for a third temple? thought so.

101G.

now back to Isaiah Chapter 53, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" to "WHOM" is God ARM revealed, definitely not Israel as a whole...... (smile).

so who is God's OWN 's ARM reveailed to?

101G.

 

[rosends]

so, we can take this as you have no scripture for a third temple? thought so.

No, you can't. You can take it as confirmation that you can't read and don't understand Judaism.

101G.

now back to Isaiah Chapter 53, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?" to "WHOM" is God ARM revealed, definitely not Israel as a whole...... (smile).

so who is God's OWN 's ARM reveailed to?

101G.

do you know who says those words? I mean, you clearly don't understand the phrase but do you at least know who is speaking?

 

[dybmh]

relevant, because GOD did make the change in priesthood. Psalms 110:4 "The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek." ...... is this the Levitical priesthood? yes or no your answer please.

No, it's not.

so what? do you see the implication here. if the Logos "MADE ALL THINGS", per John 1:3 that means, the Logos is God, per Isaiah 44:24 who MAD ALL THINGS".

No, the logos isn't God. Equating the logos to God is like equating sunlight with the sun.

then you said you don't care what hebrews said. and Romans, and so on, ok I see where you're coming from. so let's do this then, since you don't care what the NT Word of God say, tell us where in the Tanakh God commanded you Jews to build a Third Temple? book chapter and verse please.

Ah, here's the question I missed. Sorry. You have it in Isaiah 2, and the term house of the Lord, house of God is defined as the temple in several places.

 

[101G]

No, you can't. You can take it as confirmation that you can't read and don't understand Judaism.

so, Judaism is false by default, meaning not obeying the scriptures...... thank you, so 101G will never convert......(smile). so, since Judaism is not of God then it's a false religion.

101G.

 

[rosends]

so, Judaism is false by default, meaning not obeying the scriptures...... thank you, so 101G will never convert......(smile). so, since Judaism is not of God then it's a false religion.

101G.

Judaism is true by default but we don't want you to convert so don't worry about it. You follow whatever silly path you keep trying to justify to yourself.

 

[101G]

No, the logos isn't God. Equating the logos to God is like equating sunlight with the sun.

well he is, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
is the Last EQUAL ... "WITH" the First who is God? yes. .... and the Lord Jesus is the Last, who is "Lord". just as in Psalms states. (smile).

101G.

 

[101G]

Judaism is true by default but we don't want you to convert so don't worry about it. You follow whatever silly path you keep trying to justify to yourself.

yes, Judaism, according to YOU, is a false religion that do not obey God. unless YOU can show the book chapter and verse that says God command a third temple to be built, then your religion is FALSE. case cloise.

next.

101G.

 

[dybmh]

did the same God say build a third Temple? book chapter and verse please.

101G.

Yes, it's in the same verse I brought.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it.​

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In the last days, the Lord's house shall be established. Established. Compare to Exodus 15:17.

You shall bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of your inheritance, in the place, O Lord, which you have made for you to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which your hands have established.​

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Do you see the connection here? The mountain? The sanctuary? It's taking about a physical temple which will be established by their own hands. Established in this context means their/my own hands are physically building it.

 

[dybmh]

well he is, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
is the Last EQUAL ... "WITH" the First who is God? yes. .... and the Lord Jesus is the Last, who is "Lord". just as in Psalms states. (smile).

101G.

Which came first sunlight or the sun? God said let there be light. Which came first God or the word "light"? God is the source of the word. Before the word was spoken? It was with God, it was part of God.... Once the word was spoken, all of creation was made. The concept flows smoothly from there.

But! Equating God with the word is folly.

 

[rosends]

yes, Judaism, according to YOU, is a false religion that do not obey God. unless YOU can show the book chapter and verse that says God command a third temple to be built, then your religion is FALSE. case cloise.

next.

101G.

No, according to YOU it is. I say it is true and obeys God. You have yet to show disobedience. Since the 3rd temple han't been built, you cannot claim that any behavior is disobedient.

 

[101G]

Yes, it's in the same verse I brought.

And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established on the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow to it.​

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In the last days, the Lord's house shall be established. Established. Compare to Exodus 15:17.

You shall bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of your inheritance, in the place, O Lord, which you have made for you to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which your hands have established.​

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Do you see the connection here? The mountain? The sanctuary? It's taking about a physical temple which will be established by you own hands. Established in this context means your own hands are physically building it.

are you that IGNORANT. listen and LEARN, Exodus 15:17 "Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established." thy hand, and NOT "your hands".

now listen up and weep. Isaiah 8:14 "And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." LOL, LOL, LOL, Judaism is getting flakey by the minute...... Oh dear.

now 101G by the Lord WARNED U, but U want LISTEN. when the Lord Jesus get through U ... ALL, Judaism will look like a second, no third-class religion.

101G

 

[101G]

No, according to YOU it is. I say it is true and obeys God. You have yet to show disobedience. Since the 3rd temple han't been built, you cannot claim that any behavior is disobedient.

see above.

you fellas don't even see what's happen toy U ... do U? Psalms 110:1 is in effect. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

101G.

 

[rosends]

see above.

you fellas don't even see what's happen toy U ... do U? Psalms 110:1 is in effect. Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

101G.

clearly, you don't understand Psalm 110. I admire the consistency of your ignorance.

 

[101G]

clearly, you don't understand Psalm 110. I admire the consistency of your ignorance.

n or do you, now that book chapter, and verse please?

101G.

 

[rosends]

n or do you, now that book chapter, and verse please?

101G.

asked and answered, repeatedly. When you learn to read, let me know.

 

[dybmh]

are you that IGNORANT. listen and LEARN, Exodus 15:17 "Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance, in the place, O LORD, which thou hast made for thee to dwell in, in the Sanctuary, O Lord, which thy hands have established." thy hand, and NOT "your hands".

Thy hands = Your hands

now listen up and weep. Isaiah 8:14 "And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." LOL, LOL, LOL, Judaism is getting flakey by the minute...... Oh dear.

You asked a question, I answered honestly and correctly. Regarding Isaiah 8, it's true.

Sanctify the Lord of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.​

And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a trap to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.​

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now 101G by the Lord WARNED U, but U want LISTEN. when the Lord Jesus get through U ... ALL, Judaism will look like a second, no third-class religion.

101G

The Lord of hosts himself is my dread. That's what Isaiah counsels.

 

[dybmh]

And the Jews of His day did not know how to answer so they also must have seen Psalm 110 as Messianic.

I think this is actually a very important point that should be clarified. Several ( many? ) times in the gospels Jesus challenges the Jewish authority and they do not respond. It's natural for people to take this as an inability to answer or a concession. That's not what's happening.

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Sanhedrin 38​

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"We learned in a mishna there (Avot 2:14): Rabbi Eliezer says: Be persistent to learn Torah, and know what to respond to the heretic [la’apikoros]. Rabbi Yoḥanan says: This was taught only with regard to a gentile heretic, but not with regard to a Jewish heretic, as one should not respond to him. All the more so, if one does respond he will become more heretical. His heresy is assumed to be intentional, and any attempt to rebut it will only cause him to reinforce his position."​

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They didn't respond because they didn't want to make it worse.