Demons, is there any evidence they even exist?

[Apostle John]

You should fact check a bit more. It will help you in all kinds of area's.
Make sure you use appropriate sources though.

Having said that.... so when you claimed that "socrates claimed that..." you didn't know if that was factual?



Which is a correct reply to your post.
YOU said that "socrates claimed that...."

This is false. Instead, what is correct is: "PLATO claimed that socrates claimed that...."

We don't have any claims by Socrates himself.
You might consider that an irrelevant detail, but I surely don't.
There's a huge difference.



Meanwhile, still no reply to the actual point raised in the post you originally replied to.

Let me add another example next to Julius Ceasar: George W. Bush.

He's on record as having said that God told him to invade Iraq.

I accept Bush exists.
I accept he was the president of the US in 2003
I accept he ordered the invasion of Iraq at that time.

Does that mean that I also have to accept his claim that god told him to do it?
Answer: off course not.

Nope I said ‘Socrates declared that…’, meaning that he could speak and didn’t use sign language. Why would his peers make certain things up. It would render everything about Socrates as unreliable and he would have been lost in history. You even stated “he's just a normal human who had a few smart things to say.” Surely now you can see how silly and desperate you get when you try to debate.

You are cynical that people do not hear from the spirit realms obviously having no personal experience, it doesn’t mean that others don’t hear spirits. Atheists believe in a lot of irrational nonsense such as mammals, through evolution, can change into different species even though it hasn’t been seen or proven beyond doubt.

 

[Audie]

No. Clearly it is evidence of hallucinations induced by the toxic farts of extra-dimensional dragons.

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Never forget what terrible liars peo0le are.
It's the most likely reason for tall tales.

In USA I heard of "hoop snakes" that roll downhill and sting
with their tails.

Ifn they hits a tree why that oak tree will swell up and bust.
Like a balloon.

I guess some rustic believe the eye witness stories.

 

[Kenny]

I'm not the one who believes extra-ordinary things on the basis of mere anecdotes / "testimony".
It's YOU who thinks mere anecdotes / testimony provide enough justification for belief.

I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy and / or double standard...
You find the (alleged) anecdotes / testimony of a handful of people who've been dead for 2000 years enough to believe what they claimed...
But the MANY MANY MORE people still alive today who testify to having seen / been visited / been abducted by aliens, that you don't believe. That you don't find sufficient.

Clearly something doesn't add up here.
Clearly some type of double standard is in play.

Hmmm... no go. You haven 't proven it is mere anecdotes. We have history and historical documents as well as an empty tomb.

No double standard... do you have any written material from the aliens?

apples and oranges

I don't really care. I'm willing to tentatively accept Socrates to having been real. After all, there isn't anything extra-ordinary claimed about the dude. The story of Socrates doesn't attribute any magical powers or whatever to the man.

Instead, he's just a normal human who had a few smart things to say.
Nothing special.

Now, if the claims would for example include that he was a survivor of Atlantis, had telepathic powers and could work miracles... that I would not believe.
Such claims require a lot more justification to be believable.

Hmmm... Socrates didn't write one statement. It seems like you have a double standard.

"comforting" is not really a solid justification to accept things as true.

Just a reply to your statement. We have historical record. And his disciples not only shared what he said but reached the known world of their time in three years.



Truth still holds - and in our book, Jesus believes in you even if you don't believe in Him! (At least within the context of my signature) We believe you have design, purpose and a God destiny.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Rationale should override reckless behaviour, and yet. it doesn't. We are motivated by hedonism, power, self-adoration, greed, and so on.
Other animals do not behave in such a depraved manner. We are spiritual creatures, and there is a spiritual warfare within all humans.

I don't engage in "reckless behaviour." Do you?

Are you saying the other animals are better than us?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yes... but we don't have evidence of mythical aliens. Our records show that we have eyewitnesses of resurrection.

What records indicate that?

 

[Audie]

I don't engage in "reckless behaviour." Do you?

Are you saying the other animals are better than us?

You will remember Mark Twain's demonstration that an
Anaconda is more moral than ze Frenchman?

 

[Kenny]

What records indicate that?

Those who were there. You can read the accounts from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, James, Jude, Peter. From there you can go to the next generation and then there are a sprinkling of secular sources too.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Those who were there. You can read the accounts from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, James, Jude, Peter. From there you can go to the next generation and then there are a sprinkling of secular sources too.

Those aren't "eyewitness [accounts] of resurrection." Why do you think they are?
"Next generation" aren't firsthand accounts either.

For instance you say you have the "empty tomb" as evidence for the resurrection or whatever. But you don't even have that. You have a 2000+ year old claim about an empty tomb that is basically impossible to investigate. In other words, you're confusing the claim for the evidence.

 

[Soandso]

Atheists believe in a lot of irrational nonsense such as mammals, through evolution, can change into different species even though it hasn’t been seen or proven beyond doubt.

Huh. Not sure that's how it works, there. Mammals have been around a very long time, and the amount of changes needing to take place to change them into something that falls outside of our current definitions of what mammals are would take an unfathomable amount of time. Besides, the mammal body plan just works so well in every environment - land, sky, and sea

I don't think mammals are going away any time soon

 

[Apostle John]

Huh. Not sure that's how it works, there. Mammals have been around a very long time, and the amount of changes needing to take place to change them into something that falls outside of our current definitions of what mammals are would take an unfathomable amount of time. Besides, the mammal body plan just works so well in every environment - land, sky, and sea

I don't think mammals are going away any time soon

No one knows how evolution works, that’s just it. Humans are trying to make themselves extinct through increasing transhumanism and increasing homosexuality, even though they can have children average sperm count is falling rapidly, artificial insemination is going to be difficult without natural reproduction. It’s why the ancient Greeks got sick of it.

 

[Audie]

Huh. Not sure that's how it works, there. Mammals have been around a very long time, and the amount of changes needing to take place to change them into something that falls outside of our current definitions of what mammals are would take an unfathomable amount of time. Besides, the mammal body plan just works so well in every environment - land, sky, and sea

I don't think mammals are going away any time soon

The utterly ignorant vision that our creofriends have of
evolution is irrational nonsense.

So is making up something ridiculous and
brainless. And then thinking the other guy
is stupid for believing the creononsense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No one knows how evolution works, that’s just it. Humans are trying to make themselves extinct through increasing transhumanism and increasing homosexuality, even though they can have children average sperm count is falling rapidly, artificial insemination is going to be difficult without natural reproduction. It’s why the ancient Greeks got sick of it.

No, you don't know how evolution works. That doesn't translate to everybody.

Homosexuality is not increasing. And who cares if it was, anyway?

The ancient Greeks got sick of artificial insemination? Huh?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I, too, wish I could personally come with you during an investigation or what be. I consider myself a skeptic but have always wanted to have a down-to-earth believer show me what they see. I can't exactly trust things I see on film or people I don't personally know, and mediums I do know have not felt comfortable sharing their practice with me, so I've never had the chance to put my doubts to the test with an experienced medium such as yourself. I hope you continue to provide the skeptics in your life a chance to learn, because many of us want to, but simply don't have the opportunity to.

Thank you for your kind response, JDMS. I appreciate it.

 

[Apostle John]

No, you don't know how evolution works. That doesn't translate to everybody.

Homosexuality is not increasing. And who cares if it was, anyway?

The ancient Greeks got sick of artificial insemination? Huh?

All only postulate how evolution works. There’s no experiment that shows how it works in nature especially mammals changing to other species.

Lgbt people are encouraging homosexuality in making it more open and a social norm, the ancient Greeks became sick of homosexuality if you read history. Why was that?

 

[Soandso]

No one knows how evolution works, that’s just it.

There are people who have devoted their entire lives to it's study. Surely they know a thing or two, no? I can't really think of a theory that's been as scrutinized as evolution has - not even the theory of gravity

Humans are trying to make themselves extinct through increasing transhumanism and increasing homosexuality,

Uhhh...

even though they can have children average sperm count is falling rapidly, artificial insemination is going to be difficult without natural reproduction. It’s why the ancient Greeks got sick of it

I'm confused. What do the Greeks, homosexual folks, and transhumanism have to do with anything?

 

[SkepticThinker]

All only postulate how evolution works. There’s no experiment that shows how it works in nature especially mammals changing to other species.

There are mountains of evidence demonstrating the fact of evolution. It's the backbone of biology.

Mountains and mountains of evidence collected by multiple independent groups of scientists from multiple fields of science across the world over the last 160+ years all point to evolution being a fact of life. The DNA evidence alone is enough to determine that, never mind the fossil evidence, the geologic evidence, the biogeographical evidence, the embryological evidence, the comparative anatomical evidence, etc., etc. all point directly to evolution. No evidence in all of that time has ever been presented that would falsify it. It's probably the most well-evidenced scientific theory in existence.

Lgbt people are encouraging homosexuality in making it more open and a social norm, the ancient Greeks became sick of homosexuality if you read history. Why was that?

Good. People should be free to be who they are. You can't turn someone gay, if that's what you're talking about. That's a silly argument people have been trying to push for decades that has no basis in reality.

Who cares what the ancient Greeks did or didn't have to say about it?

 

[Apostle John]

There are mountains of evidence demonstrating the fact of evolution. It's the backbone of biology.

Mountains and mountains of evidence collected by multiple independent groups of scientists from multiple fields of science across the world over the last 160+ years all point to evolution being a fact of life. The DNA evidence alone is enough to determine that, never mind the fossil evidence, the geologic evidence, the biogeographical evidence, the embryological evidence, the comparative anatomical evidence, etc., etc. all point directly to evolution. No evidence in all of that time has ever been presented that would falsify it. It's probably the most well-evidenced scientific theory in existence.

Good. People should be free to be who they are. You can't turn someone gay, if that's what you're talking about. That's a silly argument people have been trying to push for decades that has no basis in reality.

Who cares what the ancient Greeks did or didn't have to say about it?

Science trys to interpret the cause of homosexuality through evolution which they call ‘evidence’ but it’s nonsense. Many ’scientists’ say it’s to do with being social, therefore it has potential to steadily increase. The ancient Greeks thought it was a scourge to their society, if they thought that back then what will happen if it increases as all signs predict in the future. Did you see the amount of people (homosexuals) literally queuing around blocks to get medicated in that recent monkey pox epidemic? Then there was aids. I’m not homophobic at all, just observing things.

 

[Kenny]

Those aren't "eyewitness [accounts] of resurrection." Why do you think they are?
"Next generation" aren't firsthand accounts either.

For instance you say you have the "empty tomb" as evidence for the resurrection or whatever. But you don't even have that. You have a 2000+ year old claim about an empty tomb that is basically impossible to investigate. In other words, you're confusing the claim for the evidence.

I'm sorry, Peter, John Mark, John and James didn't know Jesus Resurrected? Peter, John Mark, and John didn't see the resurrected Jesus? The two who walk on the roan to Emmaus didn't see Jesus?

No... I sorry, you are so mistaken.

If there was a full tomb, all they had to do was produce the body and say "SEE? Here is the BODY!" So simply to refute the story.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Science trys to interpret the cause of homosexuality through evolution which they call ‘evidence’ but it’s nonsense. Many ’scientists’ say it’s to do with being social, therefore it has potential to steadily increase. The ancient Greeks thought it was a scourge to their society, if they thought that back then what will happen if it increases as all signs predict in the future.

If you want to call evidence nonsense, that's your prerogative. Coming from a person who doesn't understand the first thing about evolution, I'll take your opinion on this for what it's worth, and compare it with those of educated scientists who spend their lives studying this stuff.

Did you see the amount of people (homosexuals) literally queuing around blocks to get medicated in that recent monkey pox epidemic? Then there was aids. I’m not homophobic at all, just observing things.

Oh good, we've moved onto homophobic nonsense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I'm sorry, Peter, John Mark, John and James didn't know Jesus Resurrected?

You are claiming that they are eyewitness accounts. They are not. Plus, they're just stories in a book. We have no way of investigating any of it, especially without any outside sources.

If there was a full tomb, all they had to do was produce the body and say "SEE? Here is the BODY!" So simply to refute the story.

This doesn't address my point.