Omniresponsible

[Kungfuzed]

Suppose for a moment that there really is a Creator. He's Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Would these three Omni also make Him Omniresponsible for everything that happens in the universe? Since God created everything, knows everything, is all powerful, and is in everything, is He not to be given both credit and blame for everything that has ever happened or will happen? Am I not the direct result of His work?

 

[Katzpur]

Suppose for a moment that there really is a Creator.

Hmmm. Well, I'll try... Okay, that was easy.

He's Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Would these three Omni also make Him Omniresponsible for everything that happens in the universe? Since God created everything, knows everything, is all powerful, and is in everything, is He not to be given both credit and blame for everything that has ever happened or will happen? Am I not the direct result of His work?

Suppose His omnipotence made Him powerful enough to be able to decide when to step back and let you mess things up on your own. How could He be blamed for the choices you made, even if He had the power to prevent you from making them?

 

[lombas]

Suppose for a moment that there really is a Creator. He's Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Would these three Omni also make Him Omniresponsible for everything that happens in the universe? Since God created everything, knows everything, is all powerful, and is in everything, is He not to be given both credit and blame for everything that has ever happened or will happen? Am I not the direct result of His work?

There doesn't exist such a thing as "responsibility" when God is concerned. He (or She for that sake) just "is". If He is everything, like you say, he isn't good or evil, he cannot take the blame, he isn't there to be praised, he just "is" - it is his "being" that gives birth to all.

Many of us are overwhelmed by this, they "believe" and many of those who believe search for means to express their gratitude, &c.

Compare: it isn't "the organization" that takes the blame. It's the people that represent it or are members of it.

 

[UnTheist]

My question was always how God could be omniscient, be omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, but somehow didn't feel like destroying evil, and calls us sinners for something He decided not to fix? Why couldn't He admit that He made imperfect beings in the first place?

 

[lombas]

My question was always how God could be omniscient, be omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, but somehow doesn't feel like destroying evil, and calls us sinners for something He decided not to fix?

What makes you think God blames us for anything? Have you been in recent contact with him or know anyone who has?

 

[logician]

It can be proven that an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent god cannot exist. Other god concepts are not worthy of worship.

 

[Kungfuzed]

Hmmm. Well, I'll try... Okay, that was easy.

Suppose His omnipotence made Him powerful enough to be able to decide when to step back and let you mess things up on your own. How could He be blamed for the choices you made, even if He had the power to prevent you from making them?

Because He created this world, everything and everyone in it. He created our spirit, our "free will", every aspect of our nature. From Him sprang everything that there is, both good and evil. Is there anything outside of His power to make things any different? Perhaps it's my views on causal determinism that influence the way I see this. It's like a man who builds a stadium full of dominoes all lined up just the way He wants. Once the first one is tipped there is no more intervention needed, and free will is still just dominoes in disguise.

 

[lombas]

Of course, I myself do not believe in an omnipotent God, since I do not believe (well, have seen any proof) of one.

I just believe God is the origin of our universe and that there is that of God in everyone through that.

 

[UnTheist]

What makes you think God blames us for anything? Have you been in recent contact with him or know anyone who has?

I always heard from Christians that 'We are sinners in God's eyes,' when it was God that kept evil breathing. I don't know why they to have label themselves and others as 'evil' and 'sinners' and 'unworthy of God.'

This isn't probably exactly what everyone else thinks, but that was what I was taught basically.

 

[lombas]

I always heard from Christians that 'We are sinners in God's eyes,' when it was God that kept evil breathing. I don't know why they to have label themselves and others as 'evil' and 'sinners' and 'unworthy of God.'

This isn't probably exactly what everyone else thinks, but that was what I was taught basically.

Well, maybe they believe that. Other Christians might think of it otherwise, or at least use a more neutral vocabulary.

If you don't think the Christians you mention are right, then you shouldn't be bothered by it, since it is not your problem*.


* Yes, I know, the Stoics said the same.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Suppose for a moment that there really is a Creator. He's Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Would these three Omni also make Him Omniresponsible for everything that happens in the universe? Since God created everything, knows everything, is all powerful, and is in everything, is He not to be given both credit and blame for everything that has ever happened or will happen? Am I not the direct result of His work?

Yes

although I prefer Omnipotent, Omniscient,Omnivorous for my big 3...

praise cheeses..for it is gouda...

 

[HB3]

Hmmm. Well, I'll try... Okay, that was easy.

Suppose His omnipotence made Him powerful enough to be able to decide when to step back and let you mess things up on your own. How could He be blamed for the choices you made, even if He had the power to prevent you from making them?

But what about bad things that happen to people that have nothing to do with choices they make? Such things as people suffering from cancer, mass destruction caused by natural disasters, or a child abused by his parents. The question originally posed is what has always given me a problem with the idea of divine intervention and led me toward deism.

 

[Willamena]

Suppose for a moment that there really is a Creator. He's Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Would these three Omni also make Him Omniresponsible for everything that happens in the universe? Since God created everything, knows everything, is all powerful, and is in everything, is He not to be given both credit and blame for everything that has ever happened or will happen? Am I not the direct result of His work?

Let me ask you this: in the scenario that is this question, is he also to be responsible for what doesn't happen?

 

[HB3]

Let me ask you this: in the scenario that is this question, is he also to be responsible for what doesn't happen?

If one believes in divine intervention, I believe the answer to your question would sometimes be yes. For example suppose two children are ill with cancer. One recovers "miraculaously" and the other suffers a long painful illness and eventually dies. If people say the first child's recovery was a miracle from God', then would God not be responsible for the pain and death of the second child through not intervening. I compare this to what many call the "sins of omission" of people. As I said in earlier post, this is why I can not believe in divine intervention.

 

[Popeyesays]

Suppose for a moment that there really is a Creator. He's Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Would these three Omni also make Him Omniresponsible for everything that happens in the universe? Since God created everything, knows everything, is all powerful, and is in everything, is He not to be given both credit and blame for everything that has ever happened or will happen? Am I not the direct result of His work?

I think you are holding God to a human measure. That's pointless. Who are you implying God is responsible to?

Regards,

Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

My question was always how God could be omniscient, be omnipotent, and omnibenevolent, but somehow didn't feel like destroying evil, and calls us sinners for something He decided not to fix? Why couldn't He admit that He made imperfect beings in the first place?

That would imply that free will is something that requires fixing. It doesn't.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

It can be proven that an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent god cannot exist. Other god concepts are not worthy of worship.

Okay, prove it.

 

[Popeyesays]

If one believes in divine intervention, I believe the answer to your question would sometimes be yes. For example suppose two children are ill with cancer. One recovers "miraculaously" and the other suffers a long painful illness and eventually dies. If people say the first child's recovery was a miracle from God', then would God not be responsible for the pain and death of the second child through not intervening. I compare this to what many call the "sins of omission" of people. As I said in earlier post, this is why I can not believe in divine intervention.

I like the Qur'anic view:
God created us all each and everyone. Then he slays us each and everyone. The justice of that is awesome. We have the time in-between to gather the attributes for a life other than this, best to use it wisely.

From that viewpoint even though the first person survives that particular illness, the day will come when he/she dies.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Kungfuzed]

Let me ask you this: in the scenario that is this question, is he also to be responsible for what doesn't happen?

In this scenario, if God wants something to happen, and it doesn't happen, He has no one to blame but Himself. It seems a bit hypocritical for a perfect God to create an imperfect world and then blame the world for it's imperfection. But since He is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere, I have to assume that everything He created is exactly the way He planned it, and that everything that doesn't happen is exactly the way he doesn't want it.

 

[Popeyesays]

In this scenario, if God wants something to happen, and it doesn't happen, He has no one to blame but Himself. It seems a bit hypocritical for a perfect God to create an imperfect world and then blame the world for it's imperfection. But since He is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere, I have to assume that everything He created is exactly the way He planned it, and that everything that doesn't happen is exactly the way he doesn't want it.

What if the universe with all it's 'imperfections' is really just what God intended?

Then those things YOU perceive as imperfect are in fact not imperfect at all. You are perfect, and the ability and capacity to wonder about perfection is one of those things that make you perfect.

Regards,
Scott