Kelly of the Phoenix
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Isn’t that what the Bible is? I find it amusing and fascinating that all the surrounding dirty pagans were more advanced than Hebrews and yet the Bible is treated like the epitome of human knowledge.
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By Faith. Why?
- Thread starter Redemptionsong
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I could count the ways in which you seem without eyes or ears to hear (Matthew 13:13), but instead I will try and summaries the basic causes of your being part of "those who dwell on the earth" who are "deceived" (Revelation 13:14), besides being led by the "two horns like a lamb", Peter and Paul (Revelation 13:11). Genesis 3:1-5 does not say "mankind fell away", but that God tossed out Adam and Eve for not keeping his Commandment, and now following their conception of "good and evil", and buying the edict that they "shall surely not die" (Genesis 3:4), somewhat like thinking that the "serpent's"/Satan's main henchman, the false prophet Paul, and his false gospel of grace is correct, and that the believer in that type of nonsense is "saved". That would be comparable to the "deception" described in Isaiah 28:15-18, whereas this new "covenant with death" based on lies, "shall be cancelled", but obviously not until the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:30), when the "tares" the followers of the "devil" message, will be "first" to be "gathered" and thrown into the "furnace of fire" (great tribulation). Your references are mostly from the false prophet Paul, or his associates. As for John 3:36, it states one must "obey the son", with respect to his message, which is antithetical to the message of the false prophet Paul, and if not, they shall have "the wrath of God abide" in them. Well, I think "day of the LORD" is at hand, just "right at the door" (Matthew 24:33)
Genesis 3:1-5
3 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
I don't know. It seems that the Jews (Hebrews) have around about %.02 of the population but hold around 20% of the Nobel prizes. Maybe their Tanach is more providential than you think. Or maybe you should just give up eating pork. How well do the Gentiles (pagan Greeks or Romans) compare?
Interesting Fact of the Day: Jews Have Won a Disproportionate Share of Nobel Prizes | American Enterprise Institute - AEI
I don't know. I often watch Fox, which captures almost every left wing progressive fake news insert of CNN that they expound upon, so I get a lot of insight into the beast, and his handlers.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
FOX News is not very reliable. I know that you do not like CNN, but they are a better news source. You have been brainwashed by the right. That happens to people on the left too. You want to try for a more middle ground if you want an accurate picture of the world.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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Do people often say to you that they are Nigerian princes who need to launder money?
Kelly of the Phoenix
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It’s from the monarchy period at the earliest. That’s why holy scripture is made up of so many government regulations that don’t mean anything.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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You can’t say that you have tasted a cake if you have only read the recipe in a cookbook.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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And yet Egypt has been around longer than Israel.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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But authorities will always be less than honest. If I can’t trust American history, why trust Israeli history?
Kelly of the Phoenix
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And Thanksgiving is a central myth that didn’t happen the way it is told.
Audie
Veteran Member
Like all prophets, he had his group of
sycophants.
Huh!?!?! Sarcasm?!? Thanksgiving is nat mythical it is a rather universal harvest festival that has never been celebrated or happened the 'way ir was told?' likely for the entire history of humanity in all cultures.
Redemptionsong
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Sin is a central theme throughout the Bible.
In Genesis we see the causes of sin, and the effect of sin. We also see God offer a way out of the dilemma in which Adam and his generations find themselves.
A temporary solution to sin was provided under the Law. Offerings made to God in the temple, by those who were of a repentant heart, made it possible for people to gain absolution until further offerings were required.
The offering made by Christ for sin, by contrast, is not just unto death, but unto life, and becomes an eternal offering for all men. The 'infallible proof' for this lies in the testimony of the disciples, who witnessed Jesus alive after crucifixion [Acts 1:3].
Thereafter, Christ, who is sat at the right hand of the Father, becomes advocate for all who enter his kingdom.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Okay, but you know that that never happened either, right? You are hopefully aware that there never were just two people. That story is just badly told tale of how humans got their moral behavior.
History is niot dependent on authorities(?). IT is dependent on academic historians and scientists as with archaeology. No, the historians and archaeologists do noit accept history as portrayed in the Bible. The Bible is a historical narrative edited redacted and compiled over time historical narrative by many authors mostly unknown over time and not a documented historical text.
3rdAngel
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Your post here seems like an incoherent rant to me. How does anything you have said here address anything in the post you are responding to? It doesn't! You simply ignored everything that was posted to you. So perhaps it is you that has closed your eyes and ears to seeing and hearing the scriptures that have been shared with you and are deceiving you own self. As posted earlier, only scripture which is Gods Words not mine was shared with you, showing that mankind fell away from God because of sin and unbelief in Gods Word. That is what the scriptures teach in Genesis 3:1-5. The scriptures also teach that we are saved by Gods grace through faith in Ephesians 2:8-9 and that without faith it is impossible to please God in Hebrews 11:6 because whatsoever is not of faith (unbelief) according to the scriptures in Romans 14:23 is sin. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin and unbelief in Gods Word do not enter into Gods kingdom according to the scriptures in John 3:36 and Hebrews 10:26-27. As shown above these are all Gods Words not my words that you deny with your words that are not Gods Words. Let me ask you again, what is it that I have shared with you from the scriptures above that you do not believe? Are you seriously trying to argue that we can not believe Gods Word and not obey what Gods Word says and still receive everlasting life? I can shown you from the old testament scriptures everything shared with you in this post and the earlier post. Would it help you if I just post old testament scripture? If you believe you can have Gods salvation while practicing sin and unbelief you do not know God or His Word which teaches the opposite of what you are claiming here.
Redemptionsong
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The sin of Adam is still with us, and cannot be denied. If you could persuade me that you were not dying then l would have reason to believe that you were without sin, but the truth is you are dying!
Death is the reality that you and l have to consider. I assume that you have given up on all hope of eternal life, but for me the hope remains. I see that if there is to be eternal life, it cannot come from man. It has to come from God.
Your hopelessness is rooted in a conclusion that you have reached, and to which you cling doggedly. Your conclusion is that God cannot be the Creator, which, in my view, is a poor conclusion to reach given the evidence found in nature, in man, and in the Bible.
As an atheist, rather than an agnostic, you should be able to provide good reasons for God not existing, but this l do not see in your posts.
Subduction Zone
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The fact that there is death in the world has been going on for over 3 billion years. I am not "hopeless". Why would the fact that you and I are going to die make on hopeless. You may have a pipedream, but that does not mean that you have any more hope than anyone else. And before you comment about someone's atheism you should try to learn what the word means.
Kelly of the Phoenix
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How Americans are taught about the first Thanksgiving is a myth. It emphasizes cooperation where it was way darker than that.