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Comparing old and new Theories of Evolution

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
"FIT" doesn't always mean biggest/ stronest,
or we'd have giant redwoods in the Arctic,
not moss and lichens.

Do you have any clue why
a tiny creature is more / better
fit than a 20 ft crocodile?
There is spiritual, mental stronghold I am talking about:

Not only muscles (but physical and mental health, social and
individual skills/abilities) constitute the entire range of
strength of a person:
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Let me repeat the problem:
Again, what's your point? Organisms naturally die -- from natural causes: disease, accident, starvation, injury, predation, &c. Nature keeps a balance. Population reflects the carrying capacity of the environment; nothing revelatory, here.
Human's have interrupted this system. We prolong life. We develop weapons, We farm. We breed and survive beyond the region's carrying capacity, upsetting the balance. Then we find ourselves fighting over resources and territory, adding homicide to our species' causes of death.
:shrug:
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
The focus of the idea "man form ape" was changed.
Originally, the theory was nobel: life is fight for survival, and the winning qualities (like love, compassion, strength, health, long life) are passing to the coming generations.
Like about in this video:


Now, the theory became changed: the generation must die (through wars, through COVID 19, through hatred, abortions, and change of sex) to make us like bacteria or cockroaches with shortest possible lifespan. To make the development faster and better.
Similar to this video:
If you can't approach things objectively and honestly, then how can you expect people to take your posts seriously?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Did you say that such a trait is being selected that allows an organism to raise more kids? It is PRO-LIFE definition. Look: the old Theory of Evolution was PRO-Life, now the new Theory of Evolution is PRO-"Choice".
Pro-life usually indicates a political position. Nature is pro life only inasmuch as the planet's biosphere has persisted for a long time. But Nature doesn't favor individuals, or even species. It's entirely indifferent to death and extinction. Individuals, populations, even species and phyla, die all the time.

And how about r-strategists, that often produce thousands or tens-of-thousands of offspring, and invest nothing in raising them?
A population is stable when an organism or couple replaces exactly their own numbers. Two hippos producing two breeding offspring = a stable population, but most mammals, over a lifetime, produce more than two children, Nature weeds most of them out before they can all breed and increase the population beyond the carrying capacity. That doesn't sound like nature is pro-life in the sense I think you're getting at.

But it gets worse. Most creatures produce thousands of offspring, which nature must reduce to two, or one, in the case of asexual organisms, if populations are to remain stable and survive.
Nature seems positively malevolent.

r/K selection theory - Wikipedia
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Organisms naturally die? Here is the problem. In heaven there is invisible to light Dark Matter, on Earth - invisible to eyes Angel of Death -- the murderer.
What are we talking about here, the ToE, or theology?
<<checks thread title>>
If you want to talk about folklore or mythology, I think you're in the wrong thread. :rolleyes:
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Nature weeds most of them out before they can all breed and increase the population beyond the carrying capacity. That doesn't sound like nature is pro-life in the sense I think you're getting at.
The reality can regulate the amount of people without using Angel of Death. Each time one makes abortion, the Angel of Death comes into operation room. The reality without Death is having varying rate of the births. The varying birth rate is natural mechanism of God. It is not needed to change sex (castrate) a person. He simply will not decide to get involved in sexual activity, if God is against it.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The reality can regulate the amount of people without using Angel of Death. Each time one makes abortion, the Angel of Death comes into operation room. The reality without Death is having varying rate of the births. The varying birth rate is natural mechanism of God. It is not needed to change sex (castrate) a person. He simply will not decide to get involved in sexual activity, if God is against it.
Please provide some evidence if you're going to bring angels, færies or other fantastic beings into the discussion.

Population regulation strategies are a natural mechanism of nature, excepting, of course, in a certain ape that's removed itself from the system.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Population regulation strategies are a natural mechanism of nature, excepting, of course, in a certain ape that's removed itself from the system.
The monks. The monks are not making babies, but the monks are neither homosexual nor transsexuals. So, no need in assistance of the Angel of Death. He is also Angel of sin.

 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
Let me repeat:
Fitness is relative to the environment and there are conditions where brute strength might not give a fitness advantage over other traits.

If speed becomes more important, the strongest in a population that are not the fastest will not have an advantage where selection favors swiftness.

Trying to establish a set of physical attributes to define fitness fails to capture what fitness means in biology.
 

Dan From Smithville

Monsters! Monsters from the id! Forbidden Planet
Staff member
Premium Member
The monks. The monks are not making babies, but the monks are neither homosexual nor transsexuals. So, no need in assistance of the Angel of Death. He is also Angel of sin.

Ah. The funniest was the monk. He climbed up the elephants trunk. Alas, the elephant sneezed.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
What is your problem? I repeat:
It's you that has the problem. English is not your first language. Let me explain.

"Fittest" in the context of "survival of the fittest" means the most fit for the environment, i.e. best adapted to the environment. It is nothing to do with "strength", whether physical, mental or in any other sense. It is best fitted to the environment.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I found the whole thing a lot easier to understand after reading Dawkins. It's the genes that are surviving better or worse, not the bodies they code for. We are something genes use to produce more genes.
 
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