Climate Change Performance Index 2023 Released

[Heyo]

Corruption is endemic in the world today, these are end times my friend and Satan is practically running the planet, do not be deceived.

Going from trolling to preaching? You're in for trouble. I won't report you, not my style but please take your apocalyptic messages to a religion forum.

 

[metis]

There has been no research that shows climate change is caused only by human activity, that being so, there will always be climate change regardless.

I never said nor implied that it was only caused by human activity.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Read the article carefully. See that it says

We could go into the runaway greenhouse today if we could get the planet hot enough to get enough water vapor into the atmosphere," Colin Goldblatt, a professor of Earth system evolution at the University of Victoria in British Columbia.

Now read what I said about how you need to heat up the planet by other means before water vapour content can be increased

Good eye for detail.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Climate change is currently being caused by La Nina which is a very large pool of "cool" ocean water that forms in the equatorial Pacific Ocean, even as the earth warms.

From Wikipedia;

La Niña (/lə ˈnin.jə/; Spanish: [la ˈniɲa]) is an oceanic and atmospheric phenomenon that is the colder counterpart of El Niño, as part of the broader El Niño–Southern Oscillation (ENSO) climate pattern. The name La Niña originates from Spanish for "the girl", by analogy to El Niño, meaning "the boy". In the past, it was also called an anti-El Niño[1] and El Viejo, meaning "the old man."[2]

During a La Niña period, the sea surface temperature across the eastern equatorial part of the central Pacific Ocean will be lower than normal by 3–5 °C (5.4–9 °F). An appearance of La Niña often persists for longer than five months. El Niño and La Niña can be indicators of weather changes across the globe. Atlantic and Pacific hurricanes can have different characteristics due to lower or higher wind shear and cooler or warmer sea surface temperatures.


The climate cult needs to do some research and not just trust a consensus of casino science. Consensus is about opinion and not settled science. Consensus is more about politics than science. The lack of hurricanes in the Atlantic ocean, this year, was due to La Niña and not coal. La Niña hag a huge global impact that befuddled the doom and gloom predictors. The cult needs to ask questions like how can a large pool of cool ocean water, sufficient to impact global weather, form as the earth is warming?

One theory is this cool water comes from deep in the ocean. Colder deep ocean water pushes up to the surface, due to geological disturbances deep down. If these geological disturbances are due to heat from the mantle, we can get surface cooling; upwelling of cold water, and longer term ocean heating at the same time, all without human intervention. Heating the ocean from below will also cause CO2 concentration to increase in the atmosphere, since CO2 is less soluble in warmer ocean water. This part of the natural earth balance connected to the movement of the crust.

The climate models are cute, but they do not due justice to the impact of water, on global climate. Water exists in three phases on the earth's surface, all at the same time; ; solid, liquid and gas or snow/ice, water, and water vapor/clouds. Greenhouse gases only exist as gases. They are a one trick pony. Water has many more tricks that all occur together; three phases or three trick pony.

In the case of La Nina, tweaks in the liquid phase of water; oceans, can impact global climate and weather. The polar caps are the solid phase of water and this phase will reflect the sun. While the clouds that cause rain and snow are part of the gas phase of water. These are all connected, with water in any of its three phases, having much more thermal mass, than all the traces gases that make up the manmade claims.

This surface analysis for water, does not even take into account the more exotic phases of water that exist at the extreme conditions of pressure and temperature found inside the earth; below the crust. For example, an equilibrium between super critical water; hydrothermal, and super ionic water; at the phase boundary of the mantle/crust interface, assists the movement of the crust on top of the mantle. Both phases will solubilize crust materials, with the super ionic phase much more aggressive. During subduction of crustal material the super ionic phase dissolves extra crustal material into the mantle, while a phase shift to back to super critical, makes new crust for things like La Niña upwellings; super critical to liquid phase transitions.

Theoretically, based on experiments of these and other exotic and extreme phases of water, water, in various phases, should be present all the way to the earth's core, with metallic water forming at core conditions. Is anyone aware the core of the earth rotates faster than the surface crust? This means another water phase boundary; ionic to metallic water.

The iron in the earth's core is electron rich. Iron can be oxidized to Fe+2 and Fe+3. The metallic iron sets an electro-chemical potential with the atmospheric oxygen, which is connected by the continuity of water phases from the atmosphere to the core. Water of many phases, using only oxygen and hydrogen in unique arrangements, are rusting the iron core and extracting electrons, energy and heat. The oceans are slightly negative in charge due to the electron flow, while the atmosphere is slightly positive due to water vapor and the high electronegativity of oxygen.

Plants via photosynthesis make atmospheric oxygen. This has increased the potential to the core's iron electrons, over the past billion years, with CO2 the plant food needed to expand on this. In essence, the sun is driving our earth dynamics via the continuity of water; rain to plants to core.

No.

 

[SkepticThinker]

That is just so silly and unscientific, one has to wonder. Climate will always change due to many other factors other than human contributions.

Do you think climatologists aren't aware of natural fluctuations in climate? And that they don't take it into consideration? Really?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Mere claims by vested interests whose research is paid for by AGW believers.

Mmm hmm ..
Unlike your totally honest graph that doesn't start until 1979 for some reason ...

 

[SkepticThinker]

Corruption is endemic in the world today, these are end times my friend and Satan is practically running the planet, do not be deceived.

Show me Satan, and show me he's running the planet right now and maybe I'll consider taking you seriously.

Until then, I'm going to stick with demonstrable science that has far more evidence for it's claims than you do about yours.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I missed this.

You are projecting wildly. How do I know this? Because you refuse to go over even the basics of science, which you do have a good chance of understanding.

And what is nice about the basics is that they are very hard to deny.

I do not want to repeat here what I am explaining on the other thread, but it reiterate.
The physical world is the world of effects, the spiritual world is the world of causes.
Conservationism, enviromentalism, atheism, deal with the world of affects, the ever changing landscape based on time. We live in endtimes and judgement is taking place, Some souls are leaving their inner God given awareness to devote themselves to the outer dark side, these are the worst people on the planet, the most evil is you like. They of course do not understand and from their twisted perspective, they see them selves as good because they have been deceived. The world's media tells them what to think, and tells then they are saving the planet, and they are deceived into believing it because of their vanity and loss of their spiritual intuition.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do not want to repeat here what I am explaining on the other thread, but it reiterate.
The physical world is the world of effects, the spiritual world is the world of causes.
Conservationism, enviromentalism, atheism, deal with the world of affects, the ever changing landscape based on time. We live in endtimes and judgement is taking place, Some souls are leaving their inner God given awareness to devote themselves to the outer dark side, these are the worst people on the planet, the most evil is you like. They of course do not understand and from their twisted perspective, they see them selves as good because they have been deceived. The world's media tells them what to think, and tells then they are saving the planet, and they are deceived into believing it because of their vanity and loss of their spiritual intuition.

No, that is just your own very distorted religious perspective and does not appear to have any basis in reality.

Tell me how would you properly test your beliefs? How would you see if they were reliable?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Mirror meet @ben d

I do not waste much time here, I say what needs to be said and mostly leave the deceived time wasters to their own ends.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I do not waste much time here, I say what needs to be said and mostly leave the deceived time wasters to their own ends.

You are only talking about yourself again. You dodge the hard questions telling us that your beliefs are not as strong as you claim that they are.

It appears that all you have is faith. And faith is not a pathway to the truth. It also appears that you are jealous of those with such a pathway.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Scientific consensus build by thousands of hours of meticulous peer reviews research and data analysis is far far more than mere claims. These are collections of thousands and thousands of real world temperature data and associated variables thoroughly vetted by hundreds of scientists. Those who believe in the true facts of global warming believe so because the data is inescapable.

The AGW scientific community is corrupt, and people like yourself are deceived if you believe it to be true. Reality extends far beyond the material world of effects, religion is not about mistaking samsara as real, it is ever changing due to the causes from above, from spirit, from Brahman.
We are in end times and it is clear that the conservationists, environmentalists, athiests, and other deceived people are the lowest and worst type of humanity. They will not endure for much longer and the irony is, they think the idea of saving the world of effects is good, but in fact it is a rebellion against God. The kingdom of God is not of this world, you can't serve two masters without serving one second best. It seems you have made your choice.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am a scientist working on renewable energy and climate dynamics. It will be very hard to deceive me in my own area.

You are involved in the sea of samsara, be careful you may drown there. Transcendence awaits those who seek the world of causes, immortality no less.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Going from trolling to preaching? You're in for trouble. I won't report you, not my style but please take your apocalyptic messages to a religion forum.

I am not preaching, I am calling it as it is, corrupted conservationists are involved in this material world of effects, thus are the worst type of humanity when it comes to the bigger picture of reality.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The AGW scientific community is corrupt, and people like yourself are deceived if you believe it to be true. Reality extends far beyond the material world of effects, religion is not about mistaking samsara as real, it is ever changing due to the causes from above, from spirit, from Brahman.
We are in end times and it is clear that the conservationists, environmentalists, athiests, and other deceived people are the lowest and worst type of humanity. They will not endure for much longer and the irony is, they think the idea of saving the world of effects is good, but in fact it is a rebellion against God. The kingdom of God is not of this world, you can't serve two masters without serving one second best. It seems you have made your choice.

And you are not a science denier. Right.

What is your religion? It appears to be an odd amalgam of several different beliefs.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I never said nor implied that it was only caused by human activity.

Therein lies the rub, there is at the moment other causes that are involved and it is possible those causes may alter any time and the global temperatures reduce. The science is not settled, yet the AGW Armageddon cult believe it is.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Therein lies the rub, there is at the moment other causes that are involved and it is possible those causes may alter any time and the global temperatures reduce. The science is not settled, yet the AGW Armageddon cult believe it is.

what are they? Please support your claim. I am betting that you cannot do so.

Those that understand it are pretty clear about this being settled science. You run away from offers to help you to understand the basics. I wonder which side will be able to support their claims?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Do you think climatologists aren't aware of natural fluctuations in climate? And that they don't take it into consideration? Really?

Yes, they do know, but the models always predict more dire temperature increases then observations, which models are then altered to track the observed and off it goes again. Still the predictions show higher than observed, more changes to the models, wash, rinse, and repeat. The models are still predicting on the high side because that provides the pretext to take control of all governments power generation strategies.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Show me Satan, and show me he's running the planet right now and maybe I'll consider taking you seriously.

Until then, I'm going to stick with demonstrable science that has far more evidence for it's claims than you do about yours.

Satan is a concept to represent the most base nature of human consciousness, bereft of higher nature, it is not an external entity, except in the sense of human institutions involved in the spread of the darkness.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes, they do know, but the models always predict more dire temperature increases then observations, which models are then altered to track the observed and off it goes again. Still the predictions show higher than observed, more changes to the models, wash, rinse, and repeat. The models are still predicting on the high side because that provides the pretext to take control of all governments power generation strategies.

They were right fifty years ago. They are even more accurate now. Where do you get these claims from?

Analysis: How well have climate models projected global warming? - Carbon Brief