Kelly of the Phoenix
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If He’s not going to play, He doesn’t qualify for a trophy.
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Homosexuality and religious.
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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I find it more deceptive than rude.touche
I still think it's rude to take other people's religious symbols and include them on your temples.
Trailblazer
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Why do you think that is rude?
Trailblazer
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It is not deceptive since we believe that all those religions were revealed by the one true God.
I think it's deceptive because the only version of those religions that you respect is the Baha'i version or interpretation. When people of some other faith (or of no faith) walk by, they might actually think that the Baha'i faith respects other religions. For example, in my case, seeing the Aum might make a Hindu think that the Baha'i faith accepts Hinduism, and all the many Gods of Hinduism, not just your one true God (that I don't even believe in). But it doesn't. The fact is that it doesn't. If it did it wouldn't proselytise amongst other faiths. Actions (proselytising) speak louder than words. (all the political niceness without meaning it).
Of all Baha'i practices, the attempts to deceive is right up there to be counted as one of the more disliked. It still comes after homophobia, in my book though.
touche
I still think it's rude to take other people's religious symbols and include them on your temples.
Those symbols are part of my chosen Faith, which is inclusive of all the Messengers and Prophets and martyers and saints and followers past and present.
It requires a different choice in our frames of reference, other than that it teaches the same virtues and morals all God given Faiths do.
Regards Tony
In that metephor the Manifestations are the referee, they do not play and are not after a trophy.
They are ensuring the rules are abided by, and if one continues to constantly break the rules, they are simply cast out of the match, some never choose to participate.
Regards Tony
That is the lower nature of humanity, if they turn to the animal condition.
Satan, or the Devil, or the Anti Christ is manifested in every age.
It is the person that recognises the Messenger and then tries to take the power for their own selves.
I see the fallen angels is really any of us when we fall short of the standard of the Word of God. We can all be angels, yet we choose this material world over the Spirit that is of God.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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Yeah, I did think about it. Here's from your link...
dowry or bride price... The bride price differs from the dowry tradition... While in bride price tradition the groom executes a payment to the parents of the bride, in the case of the dowry it’s the opposite way around. The marriage payment traditions have been found to exhibit varying harmful side effects depending on the direction of the payment... The bride price tradition is significantly more common than the tradition of dowry (key word "tradition")...
For instance, Bhalotra et al. have shown that when the price of gold increases the mortality of girl babies and foetuses also rises... The Western utility theory suggests that bride price is in use especially in the patriarchal countries with patrilocal living arrangements, where the demand for female and child labour force has been especially high and where less sophisticated farming technologies have been in use. Typically, the bride price is suggested to be paid to the parents of the bride in exchange for the future labour inputs of their daughter and her unborn children, as the bride moves away from her parents to cohabit and work on the husband’s estate and not the other way around...
Researchers have also suggested that the bride price — a tradition which is about 3000 years older than the dowry — would have been in use typically in primitive, often somewhat egalitarian tribal and nomad cultures. Transition to the dowry tradition has been said to indicate the transfer into more developed, more complex social structures and classes.
On the other hand, the bride price tradition has also been suggested to be related to the practice of polygamy and the relative amount of men and women available on the marriage market. Polygamous communities (see Figure 3 for global prevalence) might end up with a lack of single women in case one man could marry several women without any restrictions such as the bride price. And married men usually need to pay even a bigger compensation for a new bride than is normal. In Africa, in particular, polygamy seems to correlate strongly with the tradition of bride prices.
Indeed, bride price is seen as an important reinforcing factor in the prevalence of child marriages. Furthermore, young wives are marketed as more obedient and easier spouses. They also have a longer work career and fertile period ahead compared to their older sisters.
The fact that a woman is paid for makes her an object or even a commodity, which ultimately could fulfil the characteristics of human trafficking, making women an easier target of exploitation within the family. A recently developed branch of literature has explored the link between bride price and violence. On the one hand, some evidence suggests that men feel more justified in beating their wives if, after getting married, they are disappointed with their ‘expensive investment’ that does not live up to their expectations related to, for example, getting children.
And the article does mention some positives. What did you get out of the article?For instance, Bhalotra et al. have shown that when the price of gold increases the mortality of girl babies and foetuses also rises... The Western utility theory suggests that bride price is in use especially in the patriarchal countries with patrilocal living arrangements, where the demand for female and child labour force has been especially high and where less sophisticated farming technologies have been in use. Typically, the bride price is suggested to be paid to the parents of the bride in exchange for the future labour inputs of their daughter and her unborn children, as the bride moves away from her parents to cohabit and work on the husband’s estate and not the other way around...
Researchers have also suggested that the bride price — a tradition which is about 3000 years older than the dowry — would have been in use typically in primitive, often somewhat egalitarian tribal and nomad cultures. Transition to the dowry tradition has been said to indicate the transfer into more developed, more complex social structures and classes.
On the other hand, the bride price tradition has also been suggested to be related to the practice of polygamy and the relative amount of men and women available on the marriage market. Polygamous communities (see Figure 3 for global prevalence) might end up with a lack of single women in case one man could marry several women without any restrictions such as the bride price. And married men usually need to pay even a bigger compensation for a new bride than is normal. In Africa, in particular, polygamy seems to correlate strongly with the tradition of bride prices.
Indeed, bride price is seen as an important reinforcing factor in the prevalence of child marriages. Furthermore, young wives are marketed as more obedient and easier spouses. They also have a longer work career and fertile period ahead compared to their older sisters.
The fact that a woman is paid for makes her an object or even a commodity, which ultimately could fulfil the characteristics of human trafficking, making women an easier target of exploitation within the family. A recently developed branch of literature has explored the link between bride price and violence. On the one hand, some evidence suggests that men feel more justified in beating their wives if, after getting married, they are disappointed with their ‘expensive investment’ that does not live up to their expectations related to, for example, getting children.
CG Didymus
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How is that different from tribes making alliances with other tribes and joining together to stop another tribe from attacking them? And in the U.S. the Civil War was fought partly because the South tried to secede from the Union. The laws used to justify that were probably made long before Baha'u'llah wrote anything. But if you need Baha'u'llah to have credit for it, that's okay. I'm not going to research it out. Because I know it won't change your mind even if I find something that proves you wrong.
Again, as is common, I have no idea what you're trying to say. I guess it's 50/50. But for sure I do understand your words more often that I understand your prophet's. But you know me, I'm just a non-Baha'i simpleton who could never grasp much at all, let alone the words of a Godman.
Those peace protests in San Francisco in the 60s were all due to Baha'u'llah, didn't you know? Nothing to do with protesting Vietnam, or any other factors that the anti-Baha'i have made up.
CG Didymus
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Yeah sure, how often do Baha'i adulterers get in trouble? Why were they allowed to join in the first place? Weren't they told that adultery was forbidden? They are not known to be adulterers. They can hide their adulterous behavior. They will only get in trouble if found out. Gays, on the other hand, want to be found out. They don't want to keep their lifestyle a secret anymore. They don't believe it is wrong. But... Baha'is say that God does see it as being wrong.
That the laws of Baha’u’llah are a balance, between the extremes, as they are global.
I see all the laws in that light.
Regards Tony
CG Didymus
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Okay, sure... What are the Holy texts of Hinduism and Buddhism that Baha'is believe are true and were revealed by God?
Then... What were the social and administrative teachings of the NT? And do you believe in the prophecies? A quote of Jesus says that many false prophets will arise. And there will be wars and rumors of war, but that is not yet the end.
Who were the many false prophets? And why is there still wars and rumors of war? Now, if instead you say that the Bible and NT wasn't written by Jesus, but by his followers, and is not accurate, then that's a different story. But Baha'is say they do believe it. But actually, I know you don't think it is accurate. And I don't think Baha'is really believe any of the Hindu or Buddhist Scriptures to be accurate.
Baha’is believe that Buddha was a Manifestation of God, like Christ, but that his followers do not possess His authentic writings.
I'd imagine it is the same with Hindu Scriptures. Regardless, Baha'is do a major rewrite of what they say.
CG Didymus
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I forgot about that. And it was God releasing new knowledge that allowed for the great inventions like nuclear bombs and chemical fertilizers and pesticides. But the best one of all was he was instrumental in the discovery of LSD. Its impact on young people changed the world.
But really, those protests led to and including gays seeking equal rights. What did the Baha'is God say to that? "Hey, look people. Blacks and women are the only ones I was thinking about. They need and deserve to be equal. You gays go back to your closet now. But I do love you and am not prejudiced against you."
CG Didymus
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Is it a dowry or a bride price? And what is the balance between what extremes? Oh, and the balance for gays is what? Don't do it?
CG Didymus
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Yeah, why would God leave the world to a bunch of unspiritual, materialistic idiots? Then some of the supposedly "good" people, the religious ones, have been just as bad or worse at robbing, killing, and lying. Come on God, if you're there, we need you.
CG Didymus
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We can all see that they don't really believe in any of the other religions. But they act as if saying that all of them came from God and were true at one time, makes it alright. No, I don't see it. When was a religion like Christianity or Hinduism ever right? I don't think they can point to a time when either religion lined up with Baha'i teachings.