Homosexuality and religious.

[Sheldon]

Yes I agree that science is a tool but so is religion.

Science is a tool for gaining knowledge of reality, religion for indulging subjective wishful thinking, and dulling critical thinking.

Science should not be creating weapons which destroy life but focus on prolonging peaceful coexistence.

It isn't, this was just explained to you. Note with irony you aren't pouring approbation on science for the diseases your deity created, that science has helped cured, or even eradicated, irony overload.

Science requires a moral compass which in this day I believe Baha’u’llah can best provide

By spreading useless ineffectual platitudes, and homophobic hate speech. Or denying objective facts like species evolution, or that humans are animals. Again I strongly disagree.

He proposes other means of solving disputes than resorting sophisticated weaponry.

As if no one else had the wit, that's just hilarious. Wishful thinking and woolly platitudes, peppered with denials of scientific facts and blind adherence to bigoted doctrine, don't suggest profundity to me.

Yet in the Ukraine war the sake of weapons is taking precedence over consultation which is the only way to really solve the problem.

Pray for the founder of your cult to change Putin's mind, let us know how it goes. In the mean time I think the moral thing to do is support the Ukrainian's fight to defend their sovereign nation, and help Russians get rid of a vile religious dictator.

 

[Sheldon]

You are editing to dodge what was said. Shoo.

To be fair that is pretty much true of every single response he's made that I've read, on every single topic.

 

[Sheldon]

Any therapy would be better asking why a gay person would want to be part of a religion that is prejudiced against them.

Halleluiah, I was hoping someone would say it. Even if a deity existed and espoused such vile hate speech and prejudice, then I'd be happy to tell it exactly where to go.

 

[Sheldon]

"You wouldn't know if the Bible is right or wrong"

How does anyone really even know if the bible has been interpreted correctly?

Facts, science and critical thinking applied to unevidenced claims for magic and appeals to mystery, from an era of extreme superstition and ignorance.

 

[Sheldon]

ADigitalArtist said: ↑
I would never accept anyone's 'because I said so' as a line for moral judgement. Even a god. Authoritarianism is lazy and if someone can't supply me with a reasonable position against homosexuality

I not only accept it because it is in my holy book, I also accept it because I consider it reasonable,

It isn't reasonable, or you wouldn't try to play the victim when people criticise your beliefs, which are a subjective choice, unlike being gay. You have also failed to offer any reason for the homophobic prejudice your religion peddles, beyond the facile "because I believe a deity says so" argument.

Indoctrination isn't morality.

 

[Sheldon]

Straw man. All I ever said is that a homosexual cannot have sex with his or her homosexual partner and produce a child.

That claim of yours was the straw man, but please do prove me wrong and quote a single person making that claim other than you, just one will do.

 

[Trailblazer]

It isn't reasonable, or you wouldn't try to play the victim when people criticise your beliefs

It is not reasonable to you...
I have never played victim.

 

[Sheldon]

Much of the Bible is about what God considers right and wrong. That is God's opinion.

Nope, it is hearsay from largely unknown evolved human apes, and from an era of extreme ignorance and superstition.

 

[Sheldon]

No, what is natural is a fact.

Ironic really, given religions are entirely man made.

 

[Trailblazer]

That claim of yours was the straw man, but please do prove me wrong and quote a single person making that claim other than you, just one will do.

It is not a straw man because I never claimed that anyone here claimed it.
Case closed.

 

[Sheldon]

This has been given in Prophecy, that a time would come when the Cause of Baha'u'llah is seen as insignificant and becomes a plaything for those that are set in their ways.

Wow, so the founder of your cult claimed his superstitious guff was going to be scoffed at, that's hardly prescience now is it.

So out of genuine Love, I offer hang on for the ride of your life, the world and all we know of, will change dramatically.

A vague and vapidly meaningless platitude.

Have a look at history,

Indeed like religious cults that come and go all the time for example.

where are all those great civilizations that archaeology now dig up,

You may have asked and answered your own question there.

this old world order will not continue.

Water is wet, the sun will likely rise tomorrow, and stating the obvious isn't profound at all.

The warnings given in scriptures do unfold,

Well stating the obvious and being vague and doctoring the claims is bound to return all the hits biased belief is hoping for.

but not in the way we have perceived.

Wait, which is it, do they unfold, or are the results nothing like the claims? You seem to be making two contradictory claims there.

Stay safe, stay happy, and stop believing superstitious nonsense that persecutes gay people...

Sheldon

 

[TransmutingSoul]

A false dichotomy fallacy. Science is a method or group of methods by which humans collectively can extend their objective knowledge, it would be asinine to imagine knowledge is not an aid to making moral decisions, though I can see why religions prefer to claim ignorant and blind adherence is a more moral option.

Yet we know science makes the weapons of mass destruction and then uses them against their own kind, blinded to the morality that prevents war.

There is a good story about Abdul'baha talking to an inventor of armaments, a Mr Hudson Maxim, in the early 1900's.

Everything that Prevents War is Good

Regards Tony

 

[Sheldon]

It is not a straw man because I never claimed that anyone here claimed it.
Case closed.

That's a falsehood.

 

[Sheldon]

I raised the issue but I never said that is why I consider homosexuality immoral.
The only reason I consider it immoral is because God considers it immoral.

You mean because you choose to believe a deity considers it immoral, you have no proof remember.

 

[Sheldon]

I have never played victim.

Do you ever have anything nice to say, something positive, other than to your fellow atheists?
Everyone who does not agree with you is deemed stupid or prejudiced, etc.

Still waiting for you to justify that shameful falsehood that I called anyone stupid as well. Never played the victim, jesus wept.

 

[Trailblazer]

That's a falsehood.

Prove it, or stand accused of making a bald assertion.

 

[Trailblazer]

You mean because you choose to believe a deity considers it immoral, you have no proof remember.

With good evidence I need no proof. YMMV.

 

[Trailblazer]

Again, prove I ever played victim or stand accused of making a bald assertion.
The only people playing victim on this thread are atheists.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
gay people can and do reproduce having heterosexual sex

Well looky looky here. You claiming not to understand that gay people can have children though heterosexual sex. it never rains, and yet it pours..

 

[Sheldon]

Again, prove I ever played victim or stand accused of making a bald assertion.
The only people playing victim on this thread are atheists.

Trailblazer said: ↑
Do you ever have anything nice to say, something positive, other than to your fellow atheists?
Everyone who does not agree with you is deemed stupid or prejudiced, etc.

Did you manage to find a single post of mine calling anyone stupid by the way, or am I owed yet another apology that will never manifest itself.