Homosexuality and religious.

[Trailblazer]

So my understanding is it’s basically all about sex nothing else.

Your understanding is correct. Glad you were finally able to pin that down.

 

[We Never Know]

Can I have that in a coherent English sentence? How does being gay represent a threat to gay people, when firstly gay people can and do procreate and secondly straight people have gay children? Do at least try to to understand the simple stuff.

What post did I reply to? Was that poster talking about certain comments? Please keep up.

 

[Trailblazer]

Being gay is who a person is, it's not a means to an end.

So my being a heterosexual is who I am?
Sexuality does not define a person, it is just one aspect of human behavior.

 

[We Never Know]

Can I have that in a coherent English sentence? How does being gay represent a threat to gay people, when firstly gay people can and do procreate and secondly straight people have gay children? Do at least try to to understand the simple stuff.

"straight people have gay children"

Really!! Are you serious? Thanks for that info. I would have never known

 

[Sheldon]

Homosexual sex serves no purpose except for the physical pleasure of those who engage in it.

This asinine comment still gets a massive so what, since being gay is part of who a person is, why does it need to have any overarching purpose beyond the common decency of letting people live their lives as equals, when they harm no one. Except of course imaginary deities, and the fragile sensibilities of those who imagine them, and have neither the wit nor humility to stop trying to bully their bigotry onto others.


Don't like gay sex? Then don't do it. Don't like abortions, then don't have one. I am happy for religious puritans to never enjoy sex again if that's the miserable existence they seek, but why can't they desist from forcing their views onto others.

 

[Vinayaka]

Anyone who left for that reason never really believed in Baha'u'llah in the first place. Baha'is who really believe in Baha'u'llah do not question His Laws, just because they don't like them.

Not according to their personal testimony, as many didn't even find out about the homophobia until after they had signed up. It was kept secret from newcomers as long as possible. Are you calling them liars?

 

[Sheldon]

So my being a heterosexual is who I am?
Sexuality does not define a person, it is just one aspect of human behavior.

Way to spectacularly miss the point yet again. No one is telling you to deny that aspect of who you are, yet for all the false piety and talk of love and tolerance, Bahai's can't reciprocate, but have to perpetuate archaic religious bigotries like homophobia.

 

[Vinayaka]

Why not just call an ace and ace and a spade a spade? Homosexual sex serves no purpose except for the physical pleasure of those who engage in it. That is why God has never condoned it.

Is every pleasure, like say eating a piece of pie, (really serves no purpose, not even very healthy) not condoned by God. I get great pleasure out of walking in nature. Is that a sin?

 

[Trailblazer]

Why does who a person is have to serve a purpose? Being gay is part of who some people are, so this is a pretty facile question.

"But homosexuality apart from sexual satisfaction, what purpose does it serve?"

A question you cannot give a straight answer to without getting egg all over your face.
There is no prohibition against "being gay" in the Baha'i Faith. There is only a prohibition against gay sex.
Why not just say that having gay sex is just a part of who people really are?

 

[Trailblazer]

It’s a sexual activity. You can love another person of the same sex without having sex with them. So it’s all about the sex.

Ubetcha. It is all about the sex.

 

[Sheldon]

"straight people have gay children"

Really!! Are you serious? Thanks for that info. I would have never known

They all tell me that people having only gay relationships(m/m and f/f) won't have offspring and per evolution it will lead to their genes being taken out of the gene pool.

christ on a bike...it's like herding cats.

 

[Vinayaka]

Why not just call an ace and ace and a spade a spade? Homosexual sex serves no purpose except for the physical pleasure of those who engage in it. That is why God has never condoned it.

On a side note, TB, one of those expressions can be taken as racist by some folks. I didn't know about this myself until my daughter pointed it out to me, so I'm assuming you don't know either. Therefore, I no longer use it.

 

[Trailblazer]

It’s all about the sex.

Ubetcha.

 

[Sheldon]

Trailblazer said: ↑
Anyone who left for that reason never really believed in Baha'u'llah in the first place.

No true Scotsman fallacy.

 

[Trailblazer]

Even gay people can reproduce.

Not by having sex with each other.
Try again.

 

[Sheldon]

The Baha'i Faith does not target a class of people, it has laws regarding specific sexual behaviors, laws that are not limited to homosexuals.

Do I need to quote you claiming to need a sound argument that gay people were not evil immoral sexual aberrations, that should be purged etc.?

Feel that way about straight people do you?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

They all tell me that people having only gay relationships(m/m and f/f) won't have offspring and per evolution it will lead to their genes being taken out of the gene pool.

Well, there's at least 100,000 years of human existence, so really, wouldn't one suppose there's been ample time for all those nasty gay genes to be extinct?

Unless, oh, whoops -- wait, evolution happens at the group level, too (families do tend to share the same genes, as you might perhaps guess) and perhaps the genes stick around because a man with a gay brother has kids who have an uncle who may not want to go off to the hunt, or the raid on the neighbouring tribe, and so stays home and protects his nephews and nieces that they might just live long enough to pass on their father's genes.

 

[Trailblazer]

And for the gazzillionth time, gay people can and do have children.

And for the gazzillionth time, gay people cannot and do not produce children by engaging in sex acts with each other.
Try again.

 

[Vinayaka]

Nothing.

There are a whole lot of things on this planet that serve no (apparent) purpose.

 

[Sheldon]

loverofhumanity said: ↑
Im only stating fact that the continued existence of the human race depends upon the union between a man and a woman which is the position of Baha’u’llah.

Nope, men and women can reproduce without conforming to the rigid and puritanical constraints of religions. Even gay people can reproduce. It's also a false dichotomy fallacy again, since it's not a choice between being straight or being gay.

Not by having sex with each other.
Try again.

dear god, what a truly idiotic and irrelevant straw man, why do I bother.