Homosexuality and religious.

[mikkel_the_dane]

The reason why it is is because God says so. No arguments are necessary.
QED

In your opinion. So different arguments can be made based on different opinions. Thus no QED. Learn to remember that it is an opinion according to you,

 

[Trailblazer]

When people present and attempt to justify those beliefs on a public debate forum,

We are not attempting to justify our beliefs because religious beliefs require no justification.
You have nothing but a personal opinion that you believe is justified, but it is no more justified than my religious beliefs.

 

[Trailblazer]

In your opinion. So different arguments can be made based on different opinions. Thus no QED. Learn to remember that it is an opinion according to you,

That is true, but the same applies to all the opinions on this thread.
They are only opinions according to the people who hold them.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

We are not attempting to justify our beliefs because religious beliefs require no justification.
You have nothing but a personal opinion that you believe is justified, but it is no more justified than my religious beliefs.

Thus there is a God and no God. But not even that as there are more than one God and then those who doesn't care for or against God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

That is true, but the same applies to all the opinions on this thread.
They are only opinions according to the people who hold them.

Yes, but not all opinions have the same result. All opinions are the same as opinions, but not all opinions have the same results.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you believe there is something innately "wrong" or "immoral" or "perverted" or "unnatural" about homosexuality, then you are a homophobe.

No, that is a religious belief. It does not make a person a homophobe.

homophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
homophobic means - Google Search

 

[Trailblazer]

Of course you can hold a different opinion. But you must also expect to have that opinion examined.

Who is examining your opinion? You just expect it to be accepted as if it was a fact.
Why is your opinion any better than the religious opinion?

Not all opinions are acceptable.

All opinions includes your opinion.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...
Not all opinions are acceptable.
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Well, that is not a fact. And it is incomplete. Not all opinions are acceptable is itself an opinion. There is no method for using evidence on morality.
And there is no way for how all humans treat morality. There is a reason how human rights are called the declaration of humans rights and not the scientific law of human rights. They are a social construct like religion.

 

[Trailblazer]

If you hold the opinion that homosexuality is an evil, immoral, unnatural, shameful aberration that should be purged from the world, then you are a homophobe. By definition.

No, I am not, because I do not have dislike of or prejudice against gay people..

homophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
homophobic means - Google Search

Just as if you hold the opinion that black people are genetically inferior, lazy, and prone to criminality, then you are a racist. By definition.

I do not believe that homosexuals are inferior, not any more than I believe alcoholics are inferior.
I simply disapprove of the behavior.

That analogy does not fly because black people are black, it is not a behavior or something they can change.
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuals are born gay.

Massive Study Finds No Single Genetic Cause of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior

 

[Sheldon]

you do not know the meaning of the word homophobic.

homophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
homophobic means - Google Search

Just because Christians and Baha'is 'disapprove' of homosexual behavior that does not mean we have a 'dislike of or prejudice against gay people.'

Of course it does, your grasp of English is dire as usual, but note the word "or" in the definition, you disapprove of people just because they were born gay, and that is a prejudice against them.

 

[ppp]

The reason why it is is because God says so. No arguments are necessary.
QED

That is not a QED. In order for that to be a demonstration, you would have to demonstrate that:

• there is a god
• that god says things
• that god says the same things that you say
• that anyone should consider that god to be moral

You have not QED's the first bullet, let alone any of the rest. The most that you have QED'd is that other people have said the same thing as you.

 

[Sheldon]

homophobic: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against gay people.
homophobic means - Google Search

Trailblazer said: ↑
I believe that homosexuality is a sexual aberration that is against nature

Dear oh dear... now lets see you try and claim that statement is not a prejudice against homosexuality, let the semantics commence.

 

[Trailblazer]

To realise that you are supporting intolerance and prejudice that does harm people, even to the point of taking their own lives.
Why can't you see that? Why do you think its all about you?

I can't see that because that is not what I am doing. It is what you 'believe' I am doing.
I am not intolerant or prejudice against homosexuals.

 

[ppp]

I can't see that because that is not what I am doing. It is what you 'believe' I am doing.
I am not intolerant or prejudice against homosexuals.

But you do have a Baha'i prejudice and aversion. And even if you don't personally deep down agree with it, you do support it, and you do shill for it. Which is ultimately what matters.

 

[Sheldon]

I do not support homophobia and I am not homophobic.

Trailblazer said: ↑
I believe that homosexuality is a sexual aberration that is against nature

 

[Trailblazer]

The pain they felt as a 'closet gay' was all coming from within themselves.

Homosexuality is not good for us emotionally and spiritually. This is why God does not want people to practice it. He does love all of us and he does not want to see us hurt ourselves.

I could not have said that better myself.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I could not have said that better myself.

That is not an opinion. You are stating a fact.

 

[Sheldon]

We are not attempting to justify our beliefs because religious beliefs require no justification.

Yes they do, and that is just another attempt to justify your beliefs by dodging the necessity of offering some cogent rational justification. Though by now it is hardly a surprise you're holding an empty bag, and proudly stating you don't care.

You have nothing but a personal opinion that you believe is justified, but it is no more justified than my religious beliefs.

It is more justified because your belief has you and others espousing homophobia, and he is decrying you for that choice, to blindly espouse vile prejudices.

 

[Trailblazer]

so is it 'homosexuality' or is it 'gay people'?

because the two are entirely different.

Indeed they are.

 

[Trailblazer]

That is not an opinion. You are stating a fact.

No, it was an opinion based upon my beliefs.