Homosexuality and religious.

[Trailblazer]

But Bahaism is.

Only if they are a Baha'i.

 

[KWED]

I do not see black people as inferior, I see them as equals..

 

[Trailblazer]

But you have revealed that you don't agree with all Bahai teachings, so you're off the hook!

Straw man. I never said I do not agree with all the Baha'i teachings.

 

[KWED]

Because it is exercising self-control and restraint, and the same would apply to a heterosexual suppressing sexual desire.

How does that work? Homosexuals are supposed to suppress their homosexuality and adopt heterosexuality. But is heterosexuals are also supposed to do that, what sexuality do they adopt?

As Dale said:
"God is calling us to struggle against our animal nature and to become who we truly are: not sexual beings, but spiritual beings who are in control of the physical side of our nature and who can thus find true happiness living in conformity with God’s will."

Who is this "Dale", and why is he such a prude?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

"I have nothing against homosexual people, but I believe that homosexuality is an evil passion, immoral, shameful aberration, a handicap, against nature, that faithful Bahais are to purge from the world".
Can you even hear yourself?!

It appears it is only you spouting this across RF.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

But earlier, you stated "After we become a Baha'i we are not to question what God has revealed, we are to obey it."

We are supposed to obey it but we don't always obey everything since we are not perfect.

So what you really meant to say is "After we become a Bahai, we can pick and choose which bits of Bahaullah's revelations we accept".
Is that really how Bahaism works? Any other Bahai's care to confirm this?

No, as I said before we accept all of it, but we are not perfect so sometimes we don't obey all of it.

 

[KWED]

Straw man. I never said I do not agree with all the Baha'i teachings.

You said...
"not that I always agree with or perfectly follow all the teachings and Laws"

What does that mean other than you do not always agree with all the teachings and laws?

 

[Trailblazer]

Off we go round the circular logic carousel again!
So why does god consider homosexuality immoral?

Ask God, not me.
Maybe because certain body parts were designed by God to go in certain body parts and not others.
(I cannot even imagine what can of worms this is going to open up. )

 

[KWED]

It appears it is only you spouting this across RF.

Those are actual terms used to refer to homosexuality in actual Bahai texts.
Do you agree with them or not? Simple question.

(BTW, in a survey, over 90% of people considered those words to be homophobic)

 

[Trailblazer]

Only a woman can bear children. The man does nothing other than fertilise the egg, and that can be done remotely.

Sorry, mistake. I meant that a man's sperm and a woman's egg are required to produce a child.
It can be done remotely but that is not how God designed it to be done

 

[KWED]

Ask God, not me.

Right, so when you claimed to understand why god considers it immoral, you weren't being truthful.

Maybe because certain body parts were designed by God to go in certain body parts and not others.

Don't know how much experience you have of this but a human penis fits perfectly well into a human anus, male or female (anus, not penis).
Also, does that mean that it is forbidden for a Bahai wife to perform oral sex on a Bahai husband?

And why would putting a body part in the wrong place make it immoral? Is sucking your thumb immoral?

 

[Trailblazer]

But you just said that it was the ability to bear children that was the defining feature of a "family". Now you are claiming that it is a piece of paper.
Flip.
Flop.

Congrats! Post #1000

 

[KWED]

Sorry, mistake. I meant that a man's sperm and a woman's egg are required to produce a child.

So your "family" argument is dead in the water.

It can be done remotely but that is not how God designed it to be done

There are plenty of species where fertilisation is done remotely, so god has designed it to be done that way.

 

[Trailblazer]

How does that work? Homosexuals are supposed to suppress their homosexuality and adopt heterosexuality. But is heterosexuals are also supposed to do that, what sexuality do they adopt?

There are no supposed tos. Nobody has to do anything they don't want to do.

Who is this "Dale", and why is he such a prude?

I told you who he is. He is a Baha'i and he was the owner of the Planet Baha'i forum before he closed it down.
Everyone who does not believe anything goes is not a prude.

 

[Trailblazer]

Don't know how much experience you have of this but a human penis fits perfectly well into a human anus, male or female (anus, not penis).
Also, does that mean that it is forbidden for a Bahai wife to perform oral sex on a Bahai husband?

It might fit into other body parts but that does not mean it was designed by God to fit in them.
No, oral sex between a man and a woman is not forbidden in the Baha'i Faith.

Oral sex not included in prohibition against sodomy
[When asked whether sodomy included oral sex, this was the response from the Research Department of the Universal House of Justice.] In seeking clarification of Bahá’u’lláh’s prohibition against sodomy, you should note that whatever the connotations of the word “sodomy” in the English language, the term used in Bahá’u’lláh’s Writings, namely, “lavát”, merely means anal copulation by a male with another male or with a woman.

(On behalf of the Universal House of Justice, letter to an individual, September 11, 2006, cited at http://www.bahaimarriage.net/MarriageCanBeForever-QuotationCompilation.pdf )

And why would putting a body part in the wrong place make it immoral? Is sucking your thumb immoral?

Ask God.

 

[Trailblazer]

There are plenty of species where fertilisation is done remotely, so god has designed it to be done that way.

but only in those species.

 

[ppp]

The terminally confused?

Not confused. Just desperate not to be seen as what they know they are.. It's the same as the fudge-ton of the sexist, tribalist, and racist crap I have heard over the years. Same sentences, just with the name of the disparaged group being changed. It like a demagogic mad-libs.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Those are actual terms used to refer to homosexuality in actual Bahai texts.
Do you agree with them or not? Simple question.

(BTW, in a survey, over 90% of people considered those words to be homophobic)

To over simplify the Word of God is a mistake many make. What makes a word Homophobic is only one's own attitudes and frames of references.

You are trying to fit them into a very narrow agenda and that will never work, it never has from the time of God's first Messenger and will not work ever until the last Messenger. Albeit there is no first and last.

I will offer my wife and I have a son who has a male partner and we Love and support them both.

Your posts are only insulting narrow minded bigotry.

Regards

 

[metis]

Ahem. If one doesn't like homosexuality, then don't be a homosexual if they think it's a choice thingy.

Problem solved.

 

[Sand Dancer]

It might fit into other body parts but that does not mean it was designed by God to fit in them.

(On behalf of the Universal House of Justice, letter to an individual, September 11, 2006, cited at http://www.bahaimarriage.net/MarriageCanBeForever-QuotationCompilation.pdf )

Ask God.

Then why did he make certain things feel good? Guys often like when you put your finger in their booty.