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The queen of England (and a few other places) has died

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
It's interesting, as I was reading another article about the flags being ordered to half mast, and a rainbow appearing in the background:

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Don't know if it's just coincidence or some sort of sign.

Probably just the British weather. As i remember there were a lot of rainbows.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Now will come a new age for Britain and the monarchy. King Charles will take over. I am curious who his heir will be, and if that will be a different future. There is known tension in the royal family.

I do remember how fun it was that she was in a skit with Daniel Craig, who was in his role as James Bond, as part of the 2012 Olympics. That was brilliant.
I worry that Charles won't show the restraint his mother showed, but I look to the tradition of neglect toward the "colonies" by British monarchs and find hope that his interference in Canadian affairs will be minimal.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I know what I'll be watching on TV for the next 3 or 4 weeks.

Im on some backwater channel watching an old NCIS. All the main channels are showing guess what...


And one really obscure 60s and 70s music channel has gone off air and is displaying a pic of ex HRH on a black border to the sound of silence
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I've often wished she could be a voice of reason over the politicians here like she was there.
She'll be missed, and there is certainly no replacing such a levelheaded, sound monarch made wise not just by years but also the unique times she lived in and ruled over.
I feel confident she'll be missed by many around the world.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Dignity and duty,how many politicians atm have those qualities?,obviously she wasn’t a politician but she was our guidon,a rally point and constant in life.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Dignity and duty,how many politicians atm have those qualities?,obviously she wasn’t a politician but she was our guidon,a rally point and constant in life.
All monarchy is illegitimate, so I give her no credit for her "fulfilling her duty" as queen, but she certainly gets credit for her military service in WWII and I'm sad for her family's loss.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Now will come a new age for Britain and the monarchy. King Charles will take over. I am curious who his heir will be, and if that will be a different future. There is known tension in the royal family.

I do remember how fun it was that she was in a skit with Daniel Craig, who was in his role as James Bond, as part of the 2012 Olympics. That was brilliant.
Their is no question whatever who Charles heir will be. It will be William. That is, if the nation wishes to continue as a constutional monarchy. Samily tensions do not overturn the rules of succession (which now includes first-born daughters, not only sons).
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
All monarchy is illegitimate, so I give her no credit for her "fulfilling her duty" as queen, but she certainly gets credit for her military service in WWII and I'm sad for her family's loss.
No monarchy is illegitimate if it is the will of the people, through their elected parliament, to continue it constitutionally. Democracy (the "will of the people") even makes room for that.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Reigned from 1926 to 2022. Unbelievable!

How long will there be mourning? Some sources say this many days. Some say that many days.
About 10 days. But she didn't succeed to the crown until 1952 (just before I was 4 years old).

She will rest at Balmoral tonight. She will then be taken to Holyrood House, the official palace in Edinburgh, where the Scottish people can pay their respects. After that, to London where she will rest in the great ballroom at Buckingham Palace. She will be buried on the 9th day beside her husband and father, in St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
No monarchy is illegitimate if it is the will of the people, through their elected parliament, to continue it constitutionally. Democracy (the "will of the people") even makes room for that.
The existence of the monarchy has never been put to a vote in this country. No Canadian monarch has ever received a mandate from the people.

... but thank you for agreeing with my main point: that it's the will of the people, not heredity, that determines the legitimacy of a government or a head of state.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I'm getting quite irritated at my Toronto news station (CP24) on which the scroll continues to say "The Royal Standard has been lowered to half-staff." It has nothing of the kind. The Royal Standard is never at half-staff, because there is always a monarch. Charles became King the instant his mother (may she rest in peace) passed away. He will have his own Royal Standard. The Queen's Royal Standard will cover her coffin as it journeys from Balmoral to Edinburgh, then to London and Windsor Castle.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The existence of the monarchy has never been put to a vote in this country. No Canadian monarch has ever received a mandate from the people.
That is actually not quite accurate. The Constitution Act of 1982 was passed by the British parliament -- at the request of and with the consent of the Canadian parliament and provinces (with the exception of Quebec). In that act, Britain relinquished all responsibility for and authority over Canada, but Canada opted -- at its own choice -- to retain the monarch as our Head of State, represented (when not physically here) by appointed Governors General.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
That is actually not quite accurate. The Constitution Act of 1982 was passed by the British parliament -- at the request of and with the consent of the Canadian parliament and provinces (with the exception of Quebec). In that act, Britain relinquished all responsibility for and authority over Canada, but Canada opted -- at its own choice -- to retain the monarch as our Head of State, represented (when not physically here) by appointed Governors General.
And you think this was a vote in favour of keeping Canada a monarchy? My impression was that monarchy was taken as a given in that process.

But let's go with your version: you think that one vote in 1982 is enough to not only establish someone as head of state for life, but also their children, grandchildren, etc., in perpetuity? That's absurd.

I was 5 years old in 1982. I had no say in "voting" for monarchy or even in voting for an MP you claim voted for monarchy. You think that a collection of MPs, now mostly dead, should have more say about the rulership of the country today than its current citizens? That's anti-democratic.

There's a reason why democracies refresh their mandate with periodic elections... at intervals much less than 40 years.
 
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