God is disproven by science? Really?

[ElishaElijah]

Let's say they were just for the sake of argument, you believers today are not Jewish. You have taken the Old Testament and interpreted it in ways Jews do not. It is still their book, and they have the authority to offer a more valid meaning to it. That some modern Christians interpret it literally is absurd and contrary to evidence and reason.

Conservative Christians use the OT as a basis for some their most vile prejudices, namely anti-gay attitudes. This is in direct contradiction to what Jesus taught, which makes these Christians anti-Christs.

My interpretation of the Scriptures are the same as the Apostles, who were Jewish. Jesus teaches us to repent of all sin and believe the Gospel. Take up our cross and follow Him. Without the Holy Spirit a person will not want to or be able to do this with the right motive of love and gratitude. It would be a failure and out of duty.

 

[F1fan]

My interpretation of the Scriptures are the same as the Apostles, who were Jewish.

Then they were wrong too. But at least they didn't;t know any better since they were quite primitive. Modern believers have no excuse to interpret these stories so poorly.

Jesus teaches us to repent of all sin and believe the Gospel.

To my mind not using reason and following facts, and disregarding experts in science is a sin. Many Christian extremists see it as a virtue for some reason, and this is part of their toxic theology.

Take up our cross and follow Him.

Oops, a little rule violation there. That is a sin too. See how you believers don't seem to learn from A&E and learn to follow the rules?

Without the Holy Spirit a person will not want to or be able to do this with the right motive of love and gratitude. It would be a failure and out of duty.

Oops, even more rule violations. Do you not have awareness of breaking the rules of the forum?

What you assert here has no basis in fact or reason, it is just religious dogma.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why do you presume yourself capable of dismissing the result of experts in science without any expertise yourself? Be honest.

Anyone can be a scientist
Everyone is a Scientist – Scientific Scribbles. See on the one hand with Churches some would ask how do leaders get away with dishonesty, fraud, perverted behavior etc.? It’s because people consider the pastor as the “expert” and don’t think for themselves. They end up blindly following.
This is also how I see the current climate with science, the “experts” view is taken the same way, people take what they say and blindly follow the advise. Take Covid and the vaccines for example, people believed all that 1 set of supposed experts said while dismissing many others in the same field COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?
So, just because someone claims to be an expert, whether in Science or when it comes to Faith and the Bible like people who are scholars. They are just men and women, fallible, biased. I have to live with the consequences good or bad by the decisions I make. I spent the first half listening to worldly people and the last half so far listening to God. I found God’s ways way better.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Why are you assuming they were made? As science understands the laws they are part of energy/matter.


You are assuming this due to obsolete religious stories, and obsolete traditional cultural beliefs that get passed on to new generations, not evidence. This is a further indication that you have a preferred religious framework and use it to reject science, thus your contempt for science.

You have the free will to know better, but you do not choose wisely.

I’m glad God made the unchanging laws because if He didn’t then my hvac diagnostic tools could work one day and not the next. Well that is an area where I am a Master Tech, so would that be considered an expert in a particular science field?

 

[F1fan]

Anyone can be a scientist

You're no scientist. Until you are a scientist with credentials any contrary opinion you have of valid results in science is irrelevant. You are free to have opinions, if they don't accept science they are invalid.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You're no scientist. Until you are a scientist with credentials any contrary opinion you have of valid results in science is irrelevant. You are free to have opinions, if they don't accept science they are invalid.

So do you take what the science experts say as infallible truth and base your life decisions from what they say?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The laws of physics- they don’t make themselves,
If there is a law there is a law giver. My view is that God makes the laws.
Is it your view that the materials made their own laws?

Sorry, but this is an equivocation fallacy. You are using a word with more than one meaning and pretending that it only has one.

Physical laws are not like man-made laws. Manmade laws tend to be proscriptive. They tell you what you cannot do. Physical laws are descriptive. They tell us how objects will react under certain conditions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So do you take what the science experts say as infallible truth and base your life decisions from what they say?

No. That is your flaw. You used an equivocation fallacy in this argument. There is no creationist dumber than Ray Comfort. Please do not quote him.

 

[F1fan]

So do you take what the science experts say as infallible truth and base your life decisions from what they say?

Notice how you go to the extreme of absurdity. I never once mentioned infallibility. What scientists do is learn how their branch of science works, attain competency, and then do ethical work within the guidelines of the scientific method. It is not a perfect system. The instruments and facts and data that we have is not complete. Science is a work in progress. The results in science are valid because scientist show their work. Creationist and religious people fail to meet any sort of ethical and professional standard in regards to science. This is why we do not value creationism.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

No. That is your flaw. You used an equivocation fallacy in this argument. There is no creationist dumber than Ray Comfort. Please do not quote him.

I don't know how Ray Comfort continued to show his face in public following his "banana" defense of intelligent design.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Notice how you go to the extreme of absurdity

How is the question absurd? If you just use science as a area of debate and don’t apply any of that to real life then what good is that? But if you’re so convinced then why not just say yes, you take what the expert scientists say and apply that to your life, that’s how you live?

 

[Valjean]

The laws of physics- they don’t make themselves,
If there is a law there is a law giver. My view is that God makes the laws.
Is it your view that the materials made their own laws?

The Big Bang isn't yet understood, but not known does not = God. This is a false dichotomy error, not to mention a watchmaker fallacy of attribution.

At one time earthquakes and lightening strikes were attributed to God's wrath, by the same reasoning you're using here.

 

[John53]

Take Covid and the vaccines for example, people believed all that 1 set of supposed experts said while dismissing many others in the same field COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?

I don't take the word of conspiracy theory nuts.

https://www.reference.com/world-view/dr-russell-blaylock-scam-75aa3f5be2fc041e

 

[Valjean]

My interpretation of the Scriptures are the same as the Apostles, who were Jewish.

How do you know this?

Jesus teaches us to repent of all sin and believe the Gospel. Take up our cross and follow Him. Without the Holy Spirit a person will not want to or be able to do this with the right motive of love and gratitude. It would be a failure and out of duty.

And Islam teaches us to believe a different gospel, Sikhism another, Taoism another, and the Aztecs yet another. How are we to choose, if not by critical analysis, logic, evaluation of observed facts and claims, and active testing?
Belief in whatever's familiar or comforting makes no sense.

How is the question absurd? If you just use science as a area of debate and don’t apply any of that to real life then what good is that? But if you’re so convinced then why not just say yes, you take what the expert scientists say and apply that to your life, that’s how you live?

Real life is the only thing science addresses. It's religion that relies on speculation and folklore. Science deals in facts.

You do a lot of folklore-based preaching here, while condemning science for relying on facts.

 

[ElishaElijah]

I don't take the word of conspiracy theory nuts.

https://www.reference.com/world-view/dr-russell-blaylock-scam-75aa3f5be2fc041e

Why doesn’t this refute any of what he says in the citation I posted, sounds more like he has a feud.

 

[John53]

Why doesn’t this refute any of what he says in the citation I posted, sounds more like he has a feud.

It was written 2 years before the conspiracy theory nonsense you posted.

 

[ElishaElijah]

It was written 2 years before the conspiracy theory nonsense you posted.

What was the nonsense part of what he wrote? The science was wrong about Covid and vaccines, constantly changing

 

[John53]

What was the nonsense part of what he wrote? The science was wrong about Covid and vaccines, constantly changing

All of it

 

[ElishaElijah]

All of it

A Conspiracy Theory is the term used when corrupt people get caught in their fraud. Then they try to use character assassination tactics and censorship.

 

[John53]

A Conspiracy Theory is the term used when corrupt people get caught in their fraud. Then they try to use character assassination tactics and censorship.

Or more likely people who have no idea spreading incorrect information or people who know it's wrong deliberately spreading false information because they get a kick out of scaring people.