The third side of the abortion debate. The 'fetuses' that can now speak.

[Twilight Hue]

Abortion Survivors Network

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

I say a resounding yes, even though I'm pro choice as well as pro life.

I do give credit to the religious institutions that i often criticize whom gave them a chance to speak. It's a good thing they did. That said...

This thread is for them.

 

[SomeRandom]

Credit where credit is due

Like I said in another thread, I do have to wonder if this is a consequence of a bunch of unique factors in the US healthcare system and sex education overall.

 

[Nakosis]

Abortion Survivors Network

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

I say a resounding yes, even though I'm pro choice as well as pro life.

I do give credit to the religious institutions that i often criticize whom gave them a chance to speak. It's a good thing they did. That said...

This thread is for them.

There is no guarantee that the choices we make will be the right ones.
We can only say we made the best choice we could have given the information we had available to us.

 

[Bathos Logos]

Abortion Survivors Network

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

I say a resounding yes, even though I'm pro choice as well as pro life.

I do give credit to the religious institutions that i often criticize whom gave them a chance to speak. It's a good thing they did. That said...

This thread is for them.

Anyone ever allow premature birth survivors to tell their stories? You know... the babies who God, for whatever reason, either called into the world too early or designed their mother's bodies such that they don't wait the most healthy amount of time before going into labor. One has to wonder why God does that. Or perhaps He's just not as powerful as whatever is in control of such things. And then, of course, there are also those who do not survive premature birth. Very sad, isn't it? All those lives just... aborted.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

Is there anyone saying they shouldn't?

 

[Aštra’el]

I have family members who were adopted. If they had been aborted instead, it’s not just that my life would not have been the same… there would be no life. I would not have been born.

Think about it. Everything I’ve ever done, or ever will do… every life I’ve touched- for better or worse- none of it would be as it is. All of this comes back to one human being not aborting their child.

And it’s not just me… but my progeny, and their progeny, and so on and so forth. For possibly countless generations into the future, for thousands of years, branching off into different directions and all the lives blossoming from that tree would never have happened. All of their choices, all of their actions, every life they ever interacted with and whatever impact they had on this world… abortion changes that. Erases it. Overwrites it.

I know someone- very close to me- who claims to live their life with no regrets. Their discipline over human emotions is such that some people mistake this individual for a psychopath. The time they got an abortion… was probably the closest they’ve ever come to regretting anything.

Even the smallest of actions can have long reaching consequences… farther than any of us could ever possibly see. Sometimes there are glimpses… of a vast ocean of possibility… and then it isn’t there. Gone forever, and everything within it.

That is why I do not support abortion. It has nothing to do with political factions, or “morality”, or religion. Just… glimpses. Of what could have been.

 

[MikeF]

Abortion Survivors Network

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

I say a resounding yes, even though I'm pro choice as well as pro life.

I do give credit to the religious institutions that i often criticize whom gave them a chance to speak. It's a good thing they did. That said...

This thread is for them.

Then we are all speaking fetuses. Shall we post a set of video's of anecdotal stories of those who wish they were never born?

What about all the lost potential fetuses due to eggs that never fertilized and/or implanted properly?

I see no value added to the discussion with these videos.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Think about it. Everything I’ve ever done, or ever will do… every life I’ve touched- for better or worse- none of it would be as it is. All of this comes back to one human being not aborting their child.

Almost nearly happened to me because of complications when my mom was pregnant with me, and we both nearly died. In one way or another that's all of us. An arrow drifting off several inches and striking someone else centuries ago could have snuffed out our entire line hundreds of years ago. A chance venturing out of the village by our 30th-some great grandmother allowed her to survive a raid and eventually us to be born.
You'd be hard pressed to find, I am certain of it, anyone who can't find such close calls that would have prevented their birth.
But that is Life, and the Nature of the Cosmos. It is chaotic, it is dangerous, it is apathetic, it is not obligated to give us favorable or desirable outcomes. Focusing on what could have been is an endless stream of what-ifs based in the imagination and not reality. Things could be different, true, but you'd be none the wiser having never known these people you mention. But that is just how Life is.

 

[HonestJoe]

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

Sure, and nobody has stopped them from doing so. I've seen statements from the Abortion Survivors Network in previous discussions about abortion.

I would challenge the idea that they're offering a "third side". Clearly the organisation is taking a "pro-life" line (though that doesn't necessarily mean all abortion survivors feel the same way) but I object to the whole idea of this being a simply binary question of "pro-life" vs "pro-choice" anyway. The best (or least worst) set of policies and principles around the whole area that includes abortion are always going to be somewhere between those extreme positions. That is why they long have been in pretty much every developed country in the world.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then we are all speaking fetuses. Shall we post a set of video's of anecdotal stories of those who wish they were never born?

What about all the lost potential fetuses due to eggs that never fertilized and/or implanted properly?

I see no value added to the discussion with these videos.

Probably due to you not acknowledging there are people out there who survived being aborted who have every right to be a part of the issue. They are not exclusionary.

You may not value their opinions, but I do.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Is there anyone saying they shouldn't?

That may or will be apparent as the postings continue.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Anyone ever allow premature birth survivors to tell their stories? You know... the babies who God, for whatever reason, either called into the world too early or designed their mother's bodies such that they don't wait the most healthy amount of time before going into labor. One has to wonder why God does that. Or perhaps He's just not as powerful as whatever is in control of such things. And then, of course, there are also those who do not survive premature birth. Very sad, isn't it? All those lives just... aborted.

I'm pro choice because I am deeply upset with the practice of infanticide and increased risk to the mother.

I would say the best recourse would be birth control before it gets to such a point.

Still people ought to keep in mind its still an act to prevent a human being from being born which has both a positive and a negative associated with it.

Abortion Survivors imput is critical as to how things need to proceed and where limits apply.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Credit where credit is due

Like I said in another thread, I do have to wonder if this is a consequence of a bunch of unique factors in the US healthcare system and sex education overall.

Smart people need to see and consider every angle to make smart decisions.

 

[Orbit]

Abortion Survivors Network

Should they be allowed to tell their story?

I say a resounding yes, even though I'm pro choice as well as pro life.

I do give credit to the religious institutions that i often criticize whom gave them a chance to speak. It's a good thing they did. That said...

This thread is for them.

Where is the thread for medically necessary abortion mothers to tell their stories? Ectopic pregnancies and partial miscarriages? Sepsis?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Where is the thread for medically necessary abortion mothers to tell their stories? Ectopic pregnancies and partial miscarriages? Sepsis?

Make one. The more the better.

 

[SomeRandom]

Smart people need to see and consider every angle to make smart decisions.

Whilst I certainly agree.
Lack of adequate sex education can lead to rather awful consequences. Including but not limited to a failure to understand sexual myths and indeed poor medical decisions.
Combined with an iffy law and perhaps inadequate access to such services (including fertility services) and well. Desperation may follow. And desperate people aren’t always able to make the best decisions

Like you said, analyse every angle. That’s what I’m trying to do

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That may or will be apparent as the postings continue.

So in other words, no.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have family members who were adopted. If they had been aborted instead, it’s not just that my life would not have been the same… there would be no life. I would not have been born.

Think about it. Everything I’ve ever done, or ever will do… every life I’ve touched- for better or worse- none of it would be as it is. All of this comes back to one human being not aborting their child.

And it’s not just me… but my progeny, and their progeny, and so on and so forth. For possibly countless generations into the future, for thousands of years, branching off into different directions and all the lives blossoming from that tree would never have happened. All of their choices, all of their actions, every life they ever interacted with and whatever impact they had on this world… abortion changes that. Erases it. Overwrites it.

I know someone- very close to me- who claims to live their life with no regrets. Their discipline over human emotions is such that some people mistake this individual for a psychopath. The time they got an abortion… was probably the closest they’ve ever come to regretting anything.

Even the smallest of actions can have long reaching consequences… farther than any of us could ever possibly see. Sometimes there are glimpses… of a vast ocean of possibility… and then it isn’t there. Gone forever, and everything within it.

That is why I do not support abortion. It has nothing to do with political factions, or “morality”, or religion. Just… glimpses. Of what could have been.

I'm adopted myself because of abuse as an infant. Fortunately I don't really remember the experience as I was an infant and the memory has faded, but I so think I have a tic that might be associated with that to this day.

 

[nPeace]

Anyone ever allow premature birth survivors to tell their stories? You know... the babies who God, for whatever reason, either called into the world too early or designed their mother's bodies such that they don't wait the most healthy amount of time before going into labor. One has to wonder why God does that. Or perhaps He's just not as powerful as whatever is in control of such things. And then, of course, there are also those who do not survive premature birth. Very sad, isn't it? All those lives just... aborted.

Many people, like yourself, blame God for everything that is bad.
Many others however, know that God is not the one who messes up human lives, but man does.
The science is out there for everyone who would accept it.
Some however, seem to take science out of the areas they want to fit God, and take God out of the areas where they want to fit science. Lol.

Smoking & Tobacco Use
Smoking during pregnancy can cause tissue damage in the unborn baby, particularly in the lung and brain, and some studies suggests a link between maternal smoking and cleft lip.
Mothers who smoke are more likely to deliver their babies early. Preterm delivery is a leading cause of death, disability, and disease among newborns.

The article says mothers who smoke while pregnant or who are exposed to secondhand smoke after birth, their babies have weaker lungs than other babies, increasing the risk of many health problems.

Plastic
Exposure to Plastic Chemicals Before Conception Tied to Premature Births
Pregnant women exposed to phthalates, a group of chemicals used in many products, may be at increased risk for preterm birth, studies have found. Now a new study has found that exposure even before conception may increase the risk.

The decision to prohibit the manufacture of infant feeding bottles made of polycarbonate from March 2011 and the sale or import of the bottles from June 2011 came after a “qualified majority"...

Synthetic chemicals called phthalates are damaging children's brain development and therefore must be immediately banned from consumer products, according to a group of scientists and health professionals from Project TENDR.

We are now discovering that the use of plastic (with focus on plastic water/juice/sports drink bottles, food storage containers, and baby items) and resultant chemical leaching can have far-reaching health consequences, and is of especially great concern with regard to pregnancy.

 

[Heyo]

Smart people need to see and consider every angle to make smart decisions.

Yep.
But this is not directed at smart people. It is, as you say, an other angle. Smart people make decisions based on facts. This angle is based on feelings. It is the same angle as refusing to use technical terms, the same angle as ignoring facts. It is the reason why communication between pro-choice and pro-life advocates is impossible. Both seem to speak English but in fact they use different levels of communication. While one side speaks to emotions, the other speaks to the intellect.
So, a smart answer that recognizes the level of communication would be some heart wrenching stories about mothers and their kids whose life got seriously ruined by not having an abortion. But I'm not going to do that. Instead I just point out that Pastor Greg Locke tells the story that he should have been aborted.