I mean, the Catholic church did not exist during Jesus's time.
Worship of Jesus is also something we don't really even see in the gospels. Add this to the fact that once again all of the gospels are a later development and we kind of have a problem with the idea that the catholic church is the group Jesus founded.
John is probably the first gospel we have in the new testament that even has a high christology. I think it's important to note as well that the gospels don't even agree on what actually happened during Jesus's lifetime and you know that might be kind of a big deal?
I would invite you to read the gospels side by side. What happens during the crucifixion?
In the gospel of Luke we have Jesus pretty much in control the whole time.
Luke chapter 23 verses 26 - 43
26 As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus. 27 A large number of people followed him, including women who mourned and wailed for him. 28 Jesus turned and said to them, “Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. 29 For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the childless women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’ 30 Then
“‘they will say to the mountains, “Fall on us!”
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31 For if people do these things when the tree is green, what will happen when it is dry?”
32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. 33 When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. 34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”b]">[
b] And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
35 The people stood watching, and the rulers even sneered at him. They said, “He saved others; let him save himself if he is God’s Messiah, the Chosen One.”
36 The soldiers also came up and mocked him. They offered him wine vinegar 37 and said, “If you are the king of the Jews, save yourself.”
38 There was a written notice above him, which read: this is the king of the jews.
39 One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”
40 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? 41 We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”
42 Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.c]">[
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43 Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”
In the gospel of Mark we are more or less given a sad story of a man being mocked and executed. There is no confidence, there is no speech, there is no redemption. There is a man in shock dying.
Mark Chapter 15 verse 27 - 37
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a] 29 Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, “So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days, 30 come down from the cross and save yourself!” 31 In the same way the chief priests and the teachers of the law mocked him among themselves. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! 32 Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe.” Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.
33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice,
“Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).b]">[
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35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.”
36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said.
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
In Matthew we have
Matthew chapter 27 verses 45 - 50
45 From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the land. 46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice,
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lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).b]">[
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47 When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He’s calling Elijah.”
48 Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. 49 The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to save him.”
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
None of this gets into how in John we then have yet another version of events. If you read through these it becomes obvious that we can't even agree on what actually happened during the crucifixion. The bible doesn't know what happened to what a Christian would consider it's most important character.
There is no where in the Torah or Tanakh where it says the messiah will die crucified or as a sacrifice to God for the sins of mankind.
Jeremiah chapter 23 verse 8
8 but, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell in their own land.”
Jeremiah chapter 30 verse 3
3 For behold, the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah,’ says the Lord. ‘And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.’ ”
Pretty sure Jesus never brought the people back to the holy land.
Mashiach: The Messiah - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)
I mean there are plenty of reasons to doubt that Jesus is the messiah. We have pretty much no reason to say Jesus is the messiah. I mean a moral teacher sure, but it seems like he has been dragged away from his message and had words stuffed into his mouth. It seems to me that people have made him a puppet for their own desires.
It reminds me of this part in Jesus Christ Superstar honestly.
it is my understanding, it may be wrong.
