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No, ‘the Jews’ did not kill Jesus

pearl

Well-Known Member
Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between “the Jews” (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of “the Jews,” especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
No, ‘the Jews’ did not kill Jesus | America Magazine
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between “the Jews” (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of “the Jews,” especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
No, ‘the Jews’ did not kill Jesus | America Magazine
Jesus was seen walking, talking and eating food after the event of Cross, so nobody killed Jesus. The Jews did have all the intention of killing Jesus on the Cross, I understand. It was a case of an attempted murder of Jesus on the part of the then Jews, however. Right?

Regards
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Jesus said no one takes his life from him, but he lays it down to take it up again.

So, in a sense, Jesus killed Jesus.

A lot of people wanted Jesus to die including God his Father.

There were plenty Jews and gentiles that wanted Jesus dead, contributed to his arrest and execution, as well as the persecution, arrest, and death of many of his followers.

The greatest persecution of Christ and his followers took place in the 20th century, from Bolsheviks and communists, who killed more Christians, than Jews killed in the Holocaust by far.

Most modern forms of communism are grounded at least nominally in Marxism, and Marx was a Jew, but he also was very against Judaism, and he even expressed that the world must be liberated from Judaism.

So, plenty of Jews opposed communism, which is what I tell people who say "Jews had disproportionate ties to Communism".

I also point out that Christians and Jews were allies in the war in Lebanon, and I have met an enormous amount of Christians online and off, who support Israel, and will have no tolerance to anything remotely close to antisemitic remarks.

Countless Jews work with, and live in harmony and fellowship with Christians.

Jesus was Jewish on his mother's side, the Apostles, his foster Father, the first Pope, and multiple other Popes, and Paul were Jews. Many Catholic traditions, including the Mass, have roots in Judaism!

It is true, Communism has been responsible for over 100 million deaths, and some ignorant people will blame Jews for that , based on Marxism , and Karl Marx being Jewish, or Jews who had ties to Bolsheviks, but that isn't fair, because many Jews are very critical of and opposed to Marx, and even interpret some of his remarks as antisemitic!

Jewish Religion, traditions of their Fathers, are not compatible with Marxism.

The devout Jews I have met in real life, (with the exception of a criminal I met in jail) were having what appears to be the qualities or virtues a good Christian should have.

I had a Jew knock on my door because he saw my cross, and he was wearing a yarmulke, wanted to pray with me.

No one else there wanted to pray with me at that time in my life. His dad also bought me pizza.

He was one of the most kind and humble people I ever met. He was not against Jesus, he just didn't think Jesus met the prophetic requirements for Messiah. He also invited me to his place of worship.

A Jew Franz Werfel, wrote "the song of Bernadette", about the Virgin Mary and Saint Bernadette, and he never converted to Christianity.

His book became a bestseller and film , that won awards, which millions of Christians have enjoyed and cherished.

The Jews and Roman are not to blame for the death of Christ. God willed Jesus be a sacrificial lamb of God who suffers and dies to atone for sin.

It means Jesus and his Father wanted Jesus to be crucified! When it was time for Jesus to be crucified, Christ said "now has the time come, for the Son of Man to be glorified!"
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
True. But don't agree with much of your post.
It doesn't offend me.

I have much to learn, am a work in progress, and so don't expect most people to agree with me.

Neither do I consider people who disagree, to be mistaken. I am not infallible. :)
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
Jesus was seen walking, talking and eating food after the event of Cross, so nobody killed Jesus. The Jews did have all the intention of killing Jesus on the Cross, I understand. It was a case of an attempted murder of Jesus on the part of the then Jews, however. Right?

Regards
evidently you did not read that he was resurrected
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Confronting these stereotypes is especially important as we move closer to the Passion narratives, in which the complex interplay between “the Jews” (including individuals like Caiaphas and Annas, as well as groups like the Pharisees, scribes and Temple authorities) and the Roman authorities (primarily Pontius Pilate) have given rise to questions about the responsibility for Jesus’s crucifixion. The straightforward answer is the Romans, since only they had the authority to put a person to death, in this case Jesus. Yet centuries of Bible commentaries about the role of “the Jews,” especially in John’s Gospel, gave rise to centuries of deadly sentiments of anti-Judaism (against the Jewish religion) and anti-Semitism (against the Jewish people themselves).
No, ‘the Jews’ did not kill Jesus | America Magazine
Well prominent figures within the Jewish leadership were responsible. Pilate only did it to please them. Pilate also seems to have tried to pass the whole case off to Herod; but Herod just sent Jesus back. So Pilate seems to have been stuck and wanted no part of it; but gave in because he had not much of a spine apparently.

That doesn't mean that all Jews killed Jesus. Many of the people of Jerusalem were sad he died and others were happy because their rabbis told them Jesus was bad. It was controversial but the people with the most power were responsible for it. Specifically some of the most prominent rabbis and priests; including the high priest.

Since you bring up anti-semitism it reminds me of the holocaust. Not all Germans are really responsible for that. So no one can say that all Jews are responsible for Jesus death. Of course not. I believe when the book of John says "the Jews" in a negative way it was speaking of those prominent Jewish spiritual leaders of the time. Clearly not talking about all Jews.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
Ultimately God placed himself into the hands of evil men, knowing that it would result in his death.
Some men being responsible doesn't make any race responsible... In fact Christian doctrine says all of us are responsible, because we all sinned, so in the spiritual sense every one of us pierced him.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
Ultimately God placed himself into the hands of evil men, knowing that it would result in his death.
Some men being responsible doesn't make any race responsible... In fact Christian doctrine says all of us are responsible, because we all sinned, so in the spiritual sense every one of us pierced him.


Yeah, I agree with your main point - though I’m somewhat uncomfortable, personally, referring to Christ as God
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
Pilate only did it to please them.

Pilate had his own axe to grind. Aside from Pilate much antisemitism is due to “erroneous and unjust interpretations of the New Testament.”

Not all Germans are really responsible for that

True, not all Germans, but most of the world was to the extent that the world turned a blind eye.
 

Kooky

Freedom from Sanity
The Jews did have all the intention of killing Jesus on the Cross, I understand. It was a case of an attempted murder of Jesus on the part of the then Jews, however. Right?
Do you believe that when an American judge condemns a criminal to death, the judge intends to kill them?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
:)
That's also how I feel "God willed it"
Jesus uses words that almost make it sound like his crucifixion was his Father's gift to him.

When Apostles drew swords to defend him, he responded "put your sword in it's scabbard, shall I not drink the cup that the Father gave me."

In the garden of Gethsemane he did ask the Father to take away the cup, meaning the suffering, humiliation, and crucifixion, but ended "not my will be done, but thy will be done.". :)
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Jesus uses words that almost make it sound like his crucifixion was his Father's gift to him.

When Apostles drew swords to defend him, he responded "put your sword in it's scabbard, shall I not drink the cup that the Father gave me."

In the garden of Gethsemane he did ask the Father to take away the cup, meaning the suffering, humiliation, and crucifixion, but ended "not my will be done, but thy will be done.". :)
Yes.

Jesus His story is the epitome of submission from Koran
 
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