Zelensky declares martial law

[F1fan]

Not at all.

The bit you quoted ended with "Awake yet?"

What is that supposed to mean? The text isn't journalism.

 

[InChrist]

The bit you quoted ended with "Awake yet?"

What is that supposed to mean? The text isn't journalism.

Did you read the rest of the linked article? It explains what “Awake yet” means.

 

[fantome profane]

Thanks!

And these appear sensible and within the Ukrainian laws in order to survive the invasion.

You might be right. But I don’t think we know enough to be sure.

I don’t think these parties should be banned unless there is evidence they are actually aiding Russian in someway.

And if there is evidence they are aiding Russia, they should be imprisoned.

 

[Nimos]

So what are your thoughts about this?

“Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky declares martial law, makes all opposition to his government a crime, and takes control of the free press and turns it into state controlled media.


Put your feelings about Russia off to the side for just a moment, and focus on what Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky is doing, right now, in his country and to his people. In one fell swoop, Zelensky has 1) declared martial law, 2). seized control of the press and put it under the control of the state, and 3). banned all political parties other than his own. In other words, Zelensky is now an unopposed dictator who is now running Ukraine just like the way that Putin runs Russia. Awake yet?”

https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/ukr...eates-state-run-media-outlaws-all-opposition/

He did this because there apparently are some pro Russian (11 I think) parties in Ukraine, which he is afraid will share or leak information with the Russians. He did this due to the war state that the country is in.

Honestly it makes perfect sense to do it, because as we have already seen, Russia have started setting up and spreading lies in the cities which they have taken control of through the media.

There is absolutely nothing weird or sinister about this, given the situation they are in and honestly I think its more surprising that he didn't do it straight away.

 

[F1fan]

Did you read the rest of the linked article? It explains what “Awake yet” means.

The text you posted revealed it was not journalism. You posted that quote for a reason, and I'm asking you what you think it means. Frankly it appears to be a misleading piece which IF that isn't the writer's intention it's a poor writer.

 

[mangalavara]

So what are your thoughts about this?

“Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky declares martial law, makes all opposition to his government a crime, and takes control of the free press and turns it into state controlled media.


Put your feelings about Russia off to the side for just a moment, and focus on what Ukraine president Volodymyr Zelensky is doing, right now, in his country and to his people. In one fell swoop, Zelensky has 1) declared martial law, 2). seized control of the press and put it under the control of the state, and 3). banned all political parties other than his own. In other words, Zelensky is now an unopposed dictator who is now running Ukraine just like the way that Putin runs Russia. Awake yet?”

Shock As Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky Declares Martial Law, Seizes Control Of All Media And Outlaws All Political Opposition To His Own Party

Many people don't like hearing this about Zelensky because the narrative they subscribe to is something like, 'Putin is an evil dictator, and Zelensky is a good, democratic public servant.' Turns out one of the two is finally showing his true colors. So, if anybody says Ukraine is a democracy or liberal society, I don't buy it. Some might say Zelensky did this as a necessity to protect his country. So, a leader has to protect his country by turning it into a totalitarian state? Hahah! In that case, every country ought to be a perpetual totalitarian state in order to stay safe!

 

[F1fan]

Many people don't like hearing this about Zelensky because the narrative they subscribe to is something like, 'Putin is an evil dictator, and Zelensky is a good, democratic public servant.' Turns out one of the two is finally showing his true colors. So, if anybody says Ukraine is a democracy or liberal society, I don't buy it. Some might say Zelensky did this as a necessity to protect his country. So, a leader has to protect his country by turning it into a totalitarian state? Hahah! In that case, every country ought to be a perpetual totalitarian state in order to stay safe!

In case you didn't hear, Russia invaded Ukraine and threatens the existence of Ukraine as a nation. Extraordinary times. The pro-Russia parties and politicians in Ukraine have a history of corruption. So I see Zelenskyy do what a leader needs to do, and take charge of his nation until the war is over. It is about survival and stability right now. The nuance of politics is totally irrelevant.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I didn’t make any claims. I posted an article, inserted a quote, and asked what people thought. Thanks for sharing yours.

My thoughts seem to reflect the consensus here: the claims provided appear extreme enough and the source biased enough as to require evidence to support those claims. Attempts to support those claims have failed.
Further than that what is there to think other than it's bogus?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Many people don't like hearing this about Zelensky because the narrative they subscribe to is something like, 'Putin is an evil dictator, and Zelensky is a good, democratic public servant.' Turns out one of the two is finally showing his true colors. So, if anybody says Ukraine is a democracy or liberal society, I don't buy it. Some might say Zelensky did this as a necessity to protect his country. So, a leader has to protect his country by turning it into a totalitarian state? Hahah! In that case, every country ought to be a perpetual totalitarian state in order to stay safe!

The only things he did that in that post that are true is declaring martial law, with the media thing being partially true as there did come some media control but to ensure Ukrainians get consistent information on the issue.

 

[Watchmen]

I find the OP very un-Christ-like as it is deceitful and paints a good man/leader in a false light.

 

[The Hammer]

And if there is evidence they are aiding Russia, they should be imprisoned.

Isn't that the point of the martial law?

 

[Lyndon]

Actually I saw all those things on the BBC, he declared martial law, banned 11 opposition parties including all the left wing socialist ones and a Muslim party, and he got rid of the independent media, and made them all state controlled

 

[Estro Felino]

He did this because there apparently are some pro Russian (11 I think) parties in Ukraine, which he is afraid will share or leak information with the Russians. He did this due to the war state that the country is in.

Honestly it makes perfect sense to do it, because as we have already seen, Russia have started setting up and spreading lies in the cities which they have taken control of through the media.

There is absolutely nothing weird or sinister about this, given the situation they are in and honestly I think its more surprising that he didn't do it straight away.

Well...I think doublestandardism is weird and sinister.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually I saw all those things on the BBC, he declared martial law, banned 11 opposition parties including all the left wing socialist ones and a Muslim party, and he got rid of the independent media, and made them all state controlled

Can you provide links?

 

[Lyndon]

Can you provide links?

no its in their news feed of pages and pages

 

[danieldemol]

The closest I could find was this opinion piece by Al-Jazeera;
Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?

In it the author casts doubt on whether the parties are aiding the Russian invasion, however this kind of story should be reported on by our Western media because even though Zelenski is a hero for defending his nation under difficult circumstances it shouldn't give him a free pass to wipe out his political opposition.

Disclaimer: I'm anti-Putin and anti invasion of Ukraine.

My aim in providing this comment is in the hope that Western media will provide us with a factual report and not just ignore this story because it comes at an inconvenient time.

In my opinion.

 

[Nimos]

Well...I think doublestandardism is weird and sinister.

I don't think it is, first of all Ukraine are not going to hold any elections at this time having their cities being bombed and some of the major ones either occurpied or surrounded, 3+ million people fleeing and their capital being bombed daily.

As the president of Ukraine, Zelensky has to protect the citizens and if he is afraid that certain political parties or media might put people or soldiers in danger, I think he has to do it.

Now the question is when all this is over and if he is still president, whether he will return things to normal or not. If he doesn't then obviously there is an issue, but time will tell.

But I don't think there is anything wrong or even remotely weird about him doing this given the situation they are in.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I don’t think these parties should be banned unless there is evidence they are actually aiding Russian in someway.

In it the author casts doubt on whether the parties are aiding the Russian invasion, however this kind of story should be reported on by our Western media because even though Zelenski is a hero for defending his nation under difficult circumstances it shouldn't give him a free pass to wipe out his political opposition.

I suppose we won't know if the reasons for getting rid of the parties are for his own political interest or not until war is over. If he doesn't allow the parties to reform, that would certainly be something else.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You might be right. But I don’t think we know enough to be sure.

I don’t think these parties should be banned unless there is evidence they are actually aiding Russian in someway.

And if there is evidence they are aiding Russia, they should be imprisoned.

Banning political parties does come across as red flags.

It's a bit like calling one's opponent a traitor and eliminating their influence.

My question is how can he actually do that without proclaiming oneself as a dictator? Wouldn't that require a multi party vote or something?

 

[Estro Felino]

I don't think it is, first of all Ukraine are not going to hold any elections at this time having their cities being bombed and some of the major ones either occurpied or surrounded, 3+ million people fleeing and their capital being bombed daily.

As the president of Ukraine, Zelensky has to protect the citizens and if he is afraid that certain political parties or media might put people or soldiers in danger, I think he has to do it.

Now the question is when all this is over and if he is still president, whether he will return things to normal or not. If he doesn't then obviously there is an issue, but time will tell.

But I don't think there is anything wrong or even remotely weird about him doing this given the situation they are in.

This means that if I am a journalist supporting Putin, I cant go there to see what's going on.