Is it possible to overcome without Yahshua

[Messianic Israelite]

My heart goes out to those struggling to overcome their sins. They are many struggling against their sinful natures, but some people are overcoming and some people are not. I know that without Yahshua I wouldn’t be able to overcome my sinful nature. Yahshua makes it possible. But what about those who have deluded themselves that they have the Holy Spirit, when they most certainly do not, or those who are calling upon a name which cannot save. The name of the Almighty according to the Bible is Yahweh. Scholars and linguists have recognised this. This is the name that appears in the Hebrew text. The Messiah’s name was not Jesus. You can go to the New International Version here Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 1:21 - New International Version and read the footnote regarding Matthew 1:21. The NIV says the name was Joshua, but since there is no ‘J’ sound in Hebrew it would have been Yahshua. Acts 4:12 says of the Messiah’s name: “12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Why is this the case? It’s because Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation.

The Bible is full of instances where the Name of Yahweh is held to be of importance but mankind seems to reject this major aspect of the Bible, thus denying themselves the salvation that they could have through the Name. Revelation 17:14 says: "14 These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Sovereign of rulers, and King of kings; and they shall also overcome that are with him, called and chosen and faithful."

Without Yahshua I would be lost, that’s for sure and one of the things I make it my aim to pray for is those who are trying to keep the commandments, not necessarily of my faith, but perhaps those who have some of the truth and are struggling. I’m still trying to figure out atheism. Do some people become atheists because they give up trying to keep out sin, or certain sins, which they cannot overcome. Have they given up on Yahweh because they haven’t had answers to their prayers. I don’t know, perhaps if more atheists were truthful with themselves we would figure that out. However, just because someone is struggling to overcome the solution isn’t to give up, it’s to seek Yahweh more earnestly. Jeremiah 29:13 says: “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” If they were more people seeking Yahweh with their whole hearts, they would be concerned with the Name they use for the Almighty and the Name they use for the Son.

What are your thoughts?

 

[ChristineM]

What are your thoughts?

I have no religion, no god to sin against so i cannot sin. Sin had nothing to do with my defection, what caused me to leave my church and Christianity was the other people who made up that church and Christianity

And I don't think people turn to atheism to excuse sin, but they often turn to atheiem because of the guilt other people put on sins.

And trust me. I would believe an atheist over anyone who makes specious claims agains atheism based on their belief in their personal idea of their god

 

[Nakosis]

What are your thoughts?

Not if you don't believe it is possible.
Our experiences tend to support our beliefs.

Can you change what you believe? IDK.
My beliefs changed because I tested them. I choose to be skeptical of my own beliefs. To question them.
Maybe that's odd or not an easy thing for most, but that's the path I took.

 

[1213]

...would be concerned with the Name they use for the Almighty and the Name they use for the Son.

What are your thoughts?

I think Jesus can be called also for example Immanuel. To me important thing is what person means with the name and I think more important is what Jesus said.

 

[Ella S.]

I thought Jesus's name was Yeshu, which is distinct from Yahoshua. I do find it interesting that some people place a Shin in the middle of the Tetragrammaton to make the "Pentagrammaton," YHShWH, for God's personal name to become "Yahshuah" which is similar to Jesus's name but it's not actually the same name.

Aside from that, if sin is just a word for Christian vice, then I doubt that anyone can "save" you from it. You have to choose to stop committing that vice yourself. This might be possible if you only approach specific actions as sins, but given that there are many sins that demonize uncontrollable (and perfectly normal) thoughts and emotions then I doubt that even you could stop yourself from "sinning." A savior figure won't change that; you're the one who sins, not them.

I don't think atheists are more or less honest with themselves than any other group of people. Just like you, they come to their understanding through reason. Some people are subject to fallacy and bias, some people are misinformed, and some people are ignorant and this is why it is easy for many of us to reach different conclusions from one another. We are all a bit biased, a bit misinformed, and a bit ignorant about some things. Atheists just reach different conclusions than theists. There's not usually any ulterior motive beyond that.

 

[InChrist]

My heart goes out to those struggling to overcome their sins. They are many struggling against their sinful natures, but some people are overcoming and some people are not. I know that without Yahshua I wouldn’t be able to overcome my sinful nature. Yahshua makes it possible. But what about those who have deluded themselves that they have the Holy Spirit, when they most certainly do not, or those who are calling upon a name which cannot save. The name of the Almighty according to the Bible is Yahweh. Scholars and linguists have recognised this. This is the name that appears in the Hebrew text. The Messiah’s name was not Jesus. You can go to the New International Version here Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 1:21 - New International Version and read the footnote regarding Matthew 1:21. The NIV says the name was Joshua, but since there is no ‘J’ sound in Hebrew it would have been Yahshua. Acts 4:12 says of the Messiah’s name: “12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Why is this the case? It’s because Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation.

The Bible is full of instances where the Name of Yahweh is held to be of importance but mankind seems to reject this major aspect of the Bible, thus denying themselves the salvation that they could have through the Name. Revelation 17:14 says: "14 These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Sovereign of rulers, and King of kings; and they shall also overcome that are with him, called and chosen and faithful."

Without Yahshua I would be lost, that’s for sure and one of the things I make it my aim to pray for is those who are trying to keep the commandments, not necessarily of my faith, but perhaps those who have some of the truth and are struggling. I’m still trying to figure out atheism. Do some people become atheists because they give up trying to keep out sin, or certain sins, which they cannot overcome. Have they given up on Yahweh because they haven’t had answers to their prayers. I don’t know, perhaps if more atheists were truthful with themselves we would figure that out. However, just because someone is struggling to overcome the solution isn’t to give up, it’s to seek Yahweh more earnestly. Jeremiah 29:13 says: “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” If they were more people seeking Yahweh with their whole hearts, they would be concerned with the Name they use for the Almighty and the Name they use for the Son.

What are your thoughts?

I agree with your thoughts concerning the hopelessness of struggling to overcome sin. It’s impossible to overcome or make up for our wrongdoing by our own efforts. Forgiveness and is a GIFT and a gift must be received.

You may find the following article interesting. I like the point it makes that calling on the right Person and only Savior/Messiah is what matters. It is not that a certain name- translation, spelling or pronunciation has magical power.

Jesus, Yeshua or Yahshua? » Kehila News Israel

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Without Yahshua I would be lost, that’s for sure and one of the things I make it my aim to pray for is those who are trying to keep the commandments, not necessarily of my faith, but perhaps those who have some of the truth and are struggling. I’m still trying to figure out atheism. Do some people become atheists because they give up trying to keep out sin, or certain sins, which they cannot overcome.

I'm not sure what sin you think I "cannot overcome."

I mean, I'm a cishet man in a monogamous marriage to a woman. I drink alcohol (infrequently) and coffee (frequently) and eat pork (occasionally) and other meat (often); all of these things are sins by some religions, but all of them are also things that many, many theists do, so apparently they aren't an obstacle to faith generally.

I'm an atheist because I don't see any merit in the idea of belief in gods.

Have they given up on Yahweh because they haven’t had answers to their prayers.

As far as I can tell, there's no Yahweh to give up on. I've certainly seen no indication that such a thing could possibly exist.

I've certainly given up on the many people who claim to speak for God - both you and the people who proselytize for Gods who are incompatible with your god-concept - but I'd wager that you've given up on most of them, too.

I don’t know, perhaps if more atheists were truthful with themselves we would figure that out.

Perhaps if you could get through a thought about atheists without directing an insult at atheists, you'd get rid of some of your obstacles to understanding.

However, just because someone is struggling to overcome the solution isn’t to give up, it’s to seek Yahweh more earnestly. Jeremiah 29:13 says: “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” If they were more people seeking Yahweh with their whole hearts, they would be concerned with the Name they use for the Almighty and the Name they use for the Son.

It's condescending - and more to the point factually wrong - to presume that atheists haven't sought Yahweh (or other gods) earnestly.

Since turnabout is fair play, should I assume that the reason that you aren't an atheist is because of some personal failing on your part?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

I have no religion, no god to sin against so i cannot sin. Sin had nothing to do with my defection, what caused me to leave my church and Christianity was the other people who made up that church and Christianity

And I don't think people turn to atheism to excuse sin, but they often turn to atheiem because of the guilt other people put on sins.

And trust me. I would believe an atheist over anyone who makes specious claims agains atheism based on their belief in their personal idea of their god

Hi ChristineM. Thank you for the contribution. Interesting. You said you "don't think people turn to atheism to excuse sin, but they often turn to atheiem because of the guilt other people put on sins". Romans 7:13 says: "Did then that which is good become death unto me? Yahweh forbid. But sin, that it might be shown to be sin, by working death to me through that which is good;—that through the commandment sin might become exceeding sinful." The guilt therefore comes from the Word of Yahweh and actually, Yahshua's sacrifice that makes sin as Paul says here 'exceeding sinful'. Do law-abiding people, people who are keeping all the commandments of Yahweh perfectly, become atheists? I don't know any. That may sound very presumptuous for me to say so, I'm simply making an observation. To throw away the chance we have at eternal life must be for some reason I'm failing to see.

I can appreciate what you are saying that it was the people in the group you belonged that may have put you off Chr-stianity. But I don't understand why that would have robbed of your belief in the Almighty. Could you explain?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

Not if you don't believe it is possible.
Our experiences tend to support our beliefs.

Can you change what you believe? IDK.
My beliefs changed because I tested them. I choose to be skeptical of my own beliefs. To question them.
Maybe that's odd or not an easy thing for most, but that's the path I took.

Hi Nakosis. Good afternoon. Thank you for your post. Are you saying that believing in the Bible fails the scrutiny of testing? I also am skeptical of my beliefs, but not when it comes to the Bible. I believe in the Bible 100% and my experiences of life have helped to compound the truthfulness of the Word. What exactly was it that caused your belief in the Bible to fail the test?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

I think Jesus can be called also for example Immanuel. To me important thing is what person means with the name and I think more important is what Jesus said.

Hi 1213. Good afternoon. Yes, many feel the same way as you do, the Name we use being an insignificant point where salvation is concerned. But, I feel that if Yahweh has revealed His Name and His Son's name to people and people just show an indifference to it, they are showing indifference also to their salvation. Acts 4:12 is plain. There is salvation in the true name and we cannot deny that except we delete and cherry pick from the Bible.

 

[Nakosis]

Hi Nakosis. Good afternoon. Thank you for your post. Are you saying that believing in the Bible fails the scrutiny of testing? I also am skeptical of my beliefs, but not when it comes to the Bible. I believe in the Bible 100% and my experiences of life have helped to compound the truthfulness of the Word. What exactly was it that caused your belief in the Bible to fail the test?

I'd say people. Those claiming to understand the Bible, or authority over the meaning of the Bible.
While I have my own understanding, I am just one among the many. Who is to say anyone is right or whom has the correct authority?

For the Bible is is less about what has failed testing and more about what can be tested.
As a mortal human being, what can be tested is pretty limited.

 

[ChristineM]

Hi ChristineM. Thank you for the contribution. Interesting. You said you "don't think people turn to atheism to excuse sin, but they often turn to atheiem because of the guilt other people put on sins". Romans 7:13 says: "Did then that which is good become death unto me? Yahweh forbid. But sin, that it might be shown to be sin, by working death to me through that which is good;—that through the commandment sin might become exceeding sinful." The guilt therefore comes from the Word of Yahweh and actually, Yahshua's sacrifice that makes sin as Paul says here 'exceeding sinful'. Do law-abiding people, people who are keeping all the commandments of Yahweh perfectly, become atheists? I don't know any. That may sound very presumptuous for me to say so, I'm simply making an observation. To throw away the chance we have at eternal life must be for some reason I'm failing to see.

I can appreciate what you are saying that it was the people in the group you belonged that may have put you off Chr-stianity. But I don't understand why that would have robbed of your belief in the Almighty. Could you explain?

Don't ever assume that atheists cannot be as moral, more moral than those who keep to the commandments. Which vary by interpretation and religious sect.

As far as i am aware i kept the commandments, it did not stop christians mocking my disability as a sin.

Since dropping christianity/religion and those commandments that are of no relevance, ie 1, 2 and 3 i have in essence upheld.

Yes it's presumptuous

Honour your father and your mother. Yes i do.
You shall not kill. Never have
You shall not commit adultery. Not once cheated on my husband...
You shall not steal. I don't bsteal not lie
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. Not false, but real, yes
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife. Ehm. Straight (fairly) female here
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods. Nope.

Chance ig eternal life, surely you mean guess. I am quite happy with the 1st law of thermodynamics taking care of my remains when my brain dies. At least there is scientific validation for that.

Why i lost my belief is a long story, omitting the lead up and nitty gritty. I read the bible, in fact i read 3, they simply do not make any logical sense that a good person would want to worship a genocidal maniac who condones massacre, murder, slavery, rape and theft

 

[1213]

... His Name and His Son's name to people and people just show an indifference to it, they are showing indifference also to their salvation. Acts 4:12 is plain. There is salvation in the true name and we cannot deny that except we delete and cherry pick from the Bible.

Hi, I think it is also interesting detail that according to the Bible, God has given His name to Jesus. And I think therefore that the salvation is in God's name.

I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.
John 17:11

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I also am skeptical of my beliefs, but not when it comes to the Bible. I believe in the Bible 100% and my experiences of life have helped to compound the truthfulness of the Word

See, God told me that men wrote the Bible and it turned out He’s right.

 

[Sedim Haba]

...
What are your thoughts?

I think that a 'Messianic Israelite' would know better than to use the NAME in such a way.

You DO know under what conditions that the NAME is pronounced aloud, right?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I have no religion, no god to sin against so i cannot sin. Sin had nothing to do with my defection, what caused me to leave my church and Christianity was the other people who made up that church and Christianity

And I don't think people turn to atheism to excuse sin, but they often turn to atheiem because of the guilt other people put on sins.

And trust me. I would believe an atheist over anyone who makes specious claims agains atheism based on their belief in their personal idea of their god

I'm glad to see you standing up for yourself, and I say this as an ex-Christian who was hoodwinked by Christianity for 30 years. As far as I'm concerned, it's a religion of fear, shame and guilt trips. It's based on a fear of God, a fear of hell, and shame from 'sinning against God.' According to the Bible, if you don't accept Jesus as your savior, and you don't receive God's forgiveness for 'sinning' against him, then you will go to hell for all eternity. If the fear of hell isn't a self-defeating guilt trip, then I don't know what is.

It took me years to break free from the shackles of my Christian faith, and I don't ever want to be imprisoned by it again. There's no doubt in my mind that forsaking my faith in God and letting go of all the guilt and shame of 'disobeying' him was the best decision that I've ever made for my mental health. I wasted 30 years of my life holding onto the false hope that God was loving and merciful, and he loves me. I foolishly held onto this false hope amid all the years I was abused while I was growing up and into my adulthood of dealing with chronic depression and anxiety attacks caused by PTSD. I feel foolish every time I think about all the years I wasted desperately holding onto my faith in God. It was a miserable existence. It took me a long time to finally realize that I don't need a belief in God to do what's right, and I don't have to feel guilty because I do something that's considered sin in the Bible. Penn Jillette truly hit the nail on the head about not needing God to do what's right, and I absolutely agree with him. Read his quote here.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm glad to see you standing up for yourself, and I say this as an ex-Christian who was hoodwinked by Christianity for 30 years. As far as I'm concerned, it's a religion of fear, shame and guilt trips. It's based on a fear of God, a fear of hell, and shame from 'sinning against God.' According to the Bible, if you don't accept Jesus as your savior, and you don't receive God's forgiveness for 'sinning' against him, then you will be cast into hell for all eternity. If the fear of going to hell isn't a self-defeating guilt trip, then I don't know what is.

It took me years to break free from the shackles of my Christian faith, and I don't ever want to be imprisoned by it again. There's no doubt in my mind that forsaking my faith in God and letting go of all the guilt and shame of 'disobeying' him was the best decision that I've ever made for my mental health. I wasted 30 years of my life holding onto the false hope that God was loving and merciful, and he loves me. I foolishly held onto this false hope amid all the years I was abused while growing up and into my adulthood of dealing with chronic depression and anxiety attacks caused by PTSD. I feel foolish every time I think about all the years I wasted desperately holding onto my faith in God. It was a miserable existence. It took me a long time to finally realize that I don't need a belief in God to do what's right, and I don't have to feel guilty because I do something that's considered sin in the Bible.

Penn Jillette truly hit the nail on the head with his quote about not needing God to do what's right, and I couldn't agree with him more. Read his quote here.

Not shure how to reply to that other than ti say not only did it deserve a friendly but a winner too. And i am glad you have sorted out your life after a bad start in Christianity

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Not shure how to reply to that other than ti say not only did it deserve a friendly but a winner too. And i am glad you have sorted out your life after a bad start in Christianity

Thank you for your kind response, Christine. In spite of the painful recovery of detoxing from my Christian faith, I'm honestly much better off since I disavowed my faith in God. I'm an ideal example of how deeply a person can be brainwashed and controlled by a religion or a spiritual belief. It can be difficult to break away from it. If this agonizing experience has taught me anything, it's to be understanding and compassionate towards someone who is trying to free themselves from a religious cult. I have learned to be sympathetic and not be judgmental towards someone who's trapped in a religious cult, and they can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[sayak83]

My heart goes out to those struggling to overcome their sins. They are many struggling against their sinful natures, but some people are overcoming and some people are not. I know that without Yahshua I wouldn’t be able to overcome my sinful nature. Yahshua makes it possible. But what about those who have deluded themselves that they have the Holy Spirit, when they most certainly do not, or those who are calling upon a name which cannot save. The name of the Almighty according to the Bible is Yahweh. Scholars and linguists have recognised this. This is the name that appears in the Hebrew text. The Messiah’s name was not Jesus. You can go to the New International Version here Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 1:21 - New International Version and read the footnote regarding Matthew 1:21. The NIV says the name was Joshua, but since there is no ‘J’ sound in Hebrew it would have been Yahshua. Acts 4:12 says of the Messiah’s name: “12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Why is this the case? It’s because Yahshua means Yahweh is salvation.

The Bible is full of instances where the Name of Yahweh is held to be of importance but mankind seems to reject this major aspect of the Bible, thus denying themselves the salvation that they could have through the Name. Revelation 17:14 says: "14 These shall war against the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them, for he is Sovereign of rulers, and King of kings; and they shall also overcome that are with him, called and chosen and faithful."

Without Yahshua I would be lost, that’s for sure and one of the things I make it my aim to pray for is those who are trying to keep the commandments, not necessarily of my faith, but perhaps those who have some of the truth and are struggling. I’m still trying to figure out atheism. Do some people become atheists because they give up trying to keep out sin, or certain sins, which they cannot overcome. Have they given up on Yahweh because they haven’t had answers to their prayers. I don’t know, perhaps if more atheists were truthful with themselves we would figure that out. However, just because someone is struggling to overcome the solution isn’t to give up, it’s to seek Yahweh more earnestly. Jeremiah 29:13 says: “You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart.” If they were more people seeking Yahweh with their whole hearts, they would be concerned with the Name they use for the Almighty and the Name they use for the Son.

What are your thoughts?

Most atheists are atheists because they do not believe a God exists. I do not understand why that is so difficult to accept for some theists. I have known many atheists in my life very well and I can positively vouch for the fact that there is nothing deeper here than simple nonbelief.
The concept of sin has no meaning for many theists as well who are not from the Abrahamic culture either. For us it never is an issue to either think about, much less overcome.

 

[Valjean]

Overcome what?
Yashua? Never met him. Don't know anybody who has.