Jehovah's Witness=Unbiblical Religion!

[Spiderman]

That has nothing to do with what I was saying about the "substance" that Jesus is made of.

I suppose you will throw accusations against the so-called Arians in the same fashion.
Muhammad, peace be with him, was not even born yet, when they were outlawed and persecuted.

I don't care what substance Jesus was made of.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I don't care what substance Jesus was made of.

..then you don't care about the trinity.
The Orthodox creed is based on it.

 

[Brian2]

Jesus never taught anything about a trinity. That is without question, man-made dogma that was established politically by vote in the Roman Empire.

Jesus did not run around saying "I am God, worship me". Jesus had been send by His Father to be a human servant and to say and do what His Father wanted. Jesus is the Son of His Father.

The problem with mankind, is that they find it very hard to "unlearn" something.
It is totally irrelevant what "substance" Jesus is made from.
Jesus never discussed it .. why would he?

As the Son of the Father Jesus comes from the Father and is exactly the same as His Father in all ways, just as the Bible teaches.
Those who say that Jesus is not the Son of God but only a created being want the Son to be of a substance that is created.

 

[Brian2]

..then you don't care about the trinity.
The Orthodox creed is based on it.

There is no need to know or care about twists of theology in order to believe in the trinity and care about it.
The creed is not based on it, the creed is based on the teachings in the Bible and of the early church.
The "same substance" was used so that those who claim Jesus was a created being, (which the Bible denies) could not say they were not heretics since they also believed the creed.
The idea of the council was to make the teaching clear so that those who denied the true sonship of Jesus could not teach that in the Church as if it was the truth beside the real Biblical teaching that Jesus was not created and is the Son, with the same nature as His Father.

 

[YoursTrue]

Jesus said he and the Father are one, those who see him have seen the Father, and the Scriptures make it clear our bodies are Temples of the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is Divine, and can be assisting many people at once, and all things were created through Jesus!

But I wouldn't have a problem with people rejecting the trinity, but because they are so judgemental, bigoted, condemn everyone who doesn't agree with them as Idolators, it is only because of that , and that alone is why I point out they are unbiblical!

Muslims oppress and kill more people in the name of God, in my life time, than all religions combined! If they didn't act so violently, with so much hate, bigotry, and cruelty, I wouldn't say anything bad about their Religion!

I read the Quran! Over and over again it condemns Christians (those who join associates with God), polytheists, Jews, and non Muslims, and has much hatred and graphic tortures, mutilations, and amputation of limbs!

If it wasn't so hateful, and Muslims didn't rob hundreds of millions of people of freedom (oppression) in my lifetime, I would love Islam and their prophet!

When he was saying the Father is greater than I am, he wasn't talking about himself being greater than himself, was he? (No) Meaning he wasn't saying he was the father and he was greater than himself, was he?

 

[YoursTrue]

Jesus did not run around saying "I am God, worship me". Jesus had been send by His Father to be a human servant and to say and do what His Father wanted. Jesus is the Son of His Father.



As the Son of the Father Jesus comes from the Father and is exactly the same as His Father in all ways, just as the Bible teaches.
Those who say that Jesus is not the Son of God but only a created being want the Son to be of a substance that is created.

Sons come from someone.

 

[YoursTrue]

Jesus did not run around saying "I am God, worship me". Jesus had been send by His Father to be a human servant and to say and do what His Father wanted. Jesus is the Son of His Father.



As the Son of the Father Jesus comes from the Father and is exactly the same as His Father in all ways, just as the Bible teaches.
Those who say that Jesus is not the Son of God but only a created being want the Son to be of a substance that is created.

'Only a created being' is a poor use of terms. Jesus the only begotten. Might as well say he was 'only' the only begotten, hmm?

 

[Brian2]

Sons come from someone.

In creation sons are born in time but in eternity of the past there was no time. The Son always has been and His Father is His source.

 

[Brian2]

'Only a created being' is a poor use of terms. Jesus the only begotten. Might as well say he was 'only' the only begotten, hmm?

God is the creator and all others are created. Jesus is not created and we know that because the Bible tells us that all things came into existence through Him, all things were created through Him. NOT all "other" things, which is how the WT mistranslates it.
I hear that in the Greek you can only do that sort of thing (add words) when it does not change the meaning. It obviously does change the meaning.

 

[muhammad_isa]

Jesus did not run around saying "I am God, worship me". Jesus had been send by His Father to be a human servant and to say and do what His Father wanted. Jesus is the Son of His Father.

We are both "sons" of our Father in heaven, as well.

As the Son of the Father Jesus comes from the Father and is exactly the same as His Father in all ways, just as the Bible teaches.
Those who say that Jesus is not the Son of God but only a created being want the Son to be of a substance that is created.

This has nothing to do with what Jesus teaches us in the Gospels.
This is just "stuff" for mankind to argue about in order to determine political supremacy.
I'm sick and tired of it.

 

[muhammad_isa]

The idea of the council was to make the teaching clear so that those who denied the true sonship of Jesus could not teach that in the Church as if it was the truth beside the real Biblical teaching that Jesus was not created and is the Son, with the same nature as His Father.

It is pretty obviously political !
The councils were held in order for the Empire to obliterate other Christians' views, and had nothing to do with following truth.
The Empire wished to crush dissent.

 

[Brian2]

We are both "sons" of our Father in heaven, as well.

This has nothing to do with what Jesus teaches us in the Gospels.
This is just "stuff" for mankind to argue about in order to determine political supremacy.
I'm sick and tired of it.

There are different ways to be the children/sons of God and Jesus is unique in that He is the only one who is uncreated and is in His Father.
That Jesus is the Son of God in a sense that makes Him equal to His Father (same nature) seems to be intrinsic in the faith of the Gospel. I admit that many times I do not see the reason for this if people have turned to Jesus and the forgiveness He offers and have been deceived into thinking Jesus is not that Son of God, and I don't want to be the judge and say how God is going to judge people.
BUT what Jesus teaches in the Gospels really is not what a Muslim cares about imo, it is what Muhammad says about what is taught that matters,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and that contradicts what the NT teaches and what Jesus taught.
There must be something to be said for the 'truth' of teachings or Muhammad would not be so zealous for what he taught and condemn those who teach otherwise, including those who believe in the trinity.

 

[Brian2]

It is pretty obviously political !
The councils were held in order for the Empire to obliterate other Christians' views, and had nothing to do with following truth.
The Empire wished to crush dissent.

I guess that is what happens when politics gets involved, just as parts of Islam would crush dissent if in political power.
But of course it was to do with the truth of who Jesus is and wanting to stop the spread of lies as truth.
And of course the politicians swayed in their opinion of who Jesus was and one moment the trinitarians were approved and then the Arians were approved.

 

[muhammad_isa]

..of course it was to do with the truth of who Jesus is..

I pray to G-d .. Jesus prayed to G-d..

People invent things .. Is Roman law superior to G-d's ?
Well, we will all find out one day .. but better to know now.

 

[Brian2]

I pray to G-d .. Jesus prayed to G-d..

People invent things .. Is Roman law superior to G-d's ?
Well, we will all find out one day .. but better to know now.

History shows us what early Christians believed about Jesus, that He is our God. The Bible tells us the same thing.
It's a matter of faith and who we believe.
I bet the serpent sounded friendly and convincing for Eve.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It's a matter of faith and who we believe..

It's a matter of who we WANT to believe, you mean.

G-d knows why we believe what we believe.
First and foremost, it is about "who we are" .. what we were raised as.
Secondly, it is about our experiences in life .. who we meet, and where we travel to .. and our academic education.

Thirdly, we can follow our conscience, or we can follow our desires .. or a combination of these.

There is no need to follow "early Christians" or "early Jews", or "early Muslims".
We have been given intelligence to use. We can follow something blindly, or we can think for ourselves.
In the west, we are no longer forced to follow convention .. the history of Roman religion is through persecution and force.
That should ring alarm bells, if we are sincere in our quest for truth.

 

[Muffled]

As you all know I attended a JW meeting today.

I would like to share this video I made for JW pastors , and let them know how Unbiblical they are , and share them some of my good news!

Please let me know what I should add to it. Thank you!

Do you feel JW are a Biblical Religion? Their whole foundation is totally not supported anywhere in Scripture!

Do you think Jehovah's witnesses are Christians? They deny the Trinity and reject the cross!

I believe JWs use the Bible but have a lot of misconceptions about what it says.

I believe I am not aware of what their foundation is.

I believe as is the case with many churches that they are Christian in name only. I have never heard a JW say that he has received Jesus as Lord and Savior which is what I believe a true Christian must do.

I do not believe that would eliminate them from being Christian if they made the right confession of faith. It does diminish their understanding of God. I have heard at least one JW say that he is in contact with the Spirit of God but they do not consider that a person. That seems a bit confused to me.

 

[Muffled]

Plus they harass me by mail.

I believe if I have time I will invite them in but they won't like what I have to say.

 

[Muffled]

Sorry, in that video I misspoke. I said every Religion believed in the Divinity of Christ.

I meant every Christian Church!

I believe if you were going to include nominal Christian Churches then the Unitarian-Universalists also do not believe in the divinity of Jesus.

 

[cataway]

agent
[ˈājənt]
NOUN

1. a person who acts on behalf of another person or group.

Jesus came as a agent . he has authority over him someone he answers to .all to the glory to his God. why else would he pray the way he did ?