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Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
The old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead. Not only the Baha’is but many other people have seen this process unfolding all over the world at an ever-increasing pace but it has become even more apparent now that war has broken out in the Ukraine.

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Bury the Old World Order

Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true? In the latter half of the 19th century, Baha’u’llah prophesied that what we are seeing now would take place. I believe that humans will build the new world order with the assistance of God and what was revealed by Baha’u’llah.

“Beseech ye the one true God to grant that all men may be graciously assisted to fulfil that which is acceptable in Our sight. Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 7

“By My Self! The day is approaching when We will have rolled up the world and all that is therein, and spread out a new order in its stead. He, verily, is powerful over all things.” Gleanings, p. 313

“The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System—the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed.” Gleanings, p. 136

The phrase "new world order" in the Baháʼí Faith refers to the replacement of the collective political norms and values of the 19th century with a new system of worldwide governance that incorporates the Baháʼí ideals of unity and justice for all nations, races, creeds, and classes. The idea of world unification, both politically and spiritually, is at the heart of Baháʼí teachings.[1][2]

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
The old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead. Not only the Baha’is but many other people have seen this process unfolding all over the world at an ever-increasing pace but it has become even more apparent now that war has broken out in the Ukraine.

Top stories

Opinion: Putin’s assault on Ukraine will shape a new world order

How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Could Change the Global Order Forever

China ponders how Russia’s actions in Ukraine could reshape world order

Bury the Old World Order

Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true? In the latter half of the 19th century, Baha’u’llah prophesied that what we are seeing now would take place. I believe that humans will build the new world order with the assistance of God and what was revealed by Baha’u’llah.

“Beseech ye the one true God to grant that all men may be graciously assisted to fulfil that which is acceptable in Our sight. Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 7


“By My Self! The day is approaching when We will have rolled up the world and all that is therein, and spread out a new order in its stead. He, verily, is powerful over all things.” Gleanings, p. 313

“The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System—the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed.” Gleanings, p. 136

The phrase "new world order" in the Baháʼí Faith refers to the replacement of the collective political norms and values of the 19th century with a new system of worldwide governance that incorporates the Baháʼí ideals of unity and justice for all nations, races, creeds, and classes. The idea of world unification, both politically and spiritually, is at the heart of Baháʼí teachings.[1][2]

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)
You keep saying new world order, But everything that you're citing looks like the same old same old that we've had for most of human history.
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
Perhaps you did not understand my question.
I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?
I was not asking what makes a prophecy believable.
As it so happens, much of what makes a prophecy believable is also what makes it determinable.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The old world order being rolled up and a new world order is rising in its stead. Not only the Baha’is but many other people have seen this process unfolding all over the world at an ever-increasing pace but it has become even more apparent now that war has broken out in the Ukraine.

Top stories

Opinion: Putin’s assault on Ukraine will shape a new world order

How Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Could Change the Global Order Forever

China ponders how Russia’s actions in Ukraine could reshape world order

Bury the Old World Order

Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true? In the latter half of the 19th century, Baha’u’llah prophesied that what we are seeing now would take place. I believe that humans will build the new world order with the assistance of God and what was revealed by Baha’u’llah.

“Beseech ye the one true God to grant that all men may be graciously assisted to fulfil that which is acceptable in Our sight. Soon will the present-day order be rolled up, and a new one spread out in its stead. Verily, thy Lord speaketh the truth, and is the Knower of things unseen.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 7

“By My Self! The day is approaching when We will have rolled up the world and all that is therein, and spread out a new order in its stead. He, verily, is powerful over all things.” Gleanings, p. 313

“The world’s equilibrium hath been upset through the vibrating influence of this most great, this new World Order. Mankind’s ordered life hath been revolutionized through the agency of this unique, this wondrous System—the like of which mortal eyes have never witnessed.” Gleanings, p. 136

The phrase "new world order" in the Baháʼí Faith refers to the replacement of the collective political norms and values of the 19th century with a new system of worldwide governance that incorporates the Baháʼí ideals of unity and justice for all nations, races, creeds, and classes. The idea of world unification, both politically and spiritually, is at the heart of Baháʼí teachings.[1][2]

Baháʼu'lláh taught that the future order will be the embodiment God's scheme for mankind.[3] Later on his successors, ʻAbdu'l-Bahá and Shoghi Effendi, interpreted "unification of mankind" as the eventual establishment of a world commonwealth, later as a democratic elected world government based on principles of equity and justice.[4]

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_world_order_(Baháʼí)

When one becomes informed of what was revealed by Baha'u'llah, Abdul'baha and Shoghi Effendi about the collapse of Old World Order as the New World Order is rolled our, there becomes no doubt that the prophecies are indeed unfolding.

Regards Tony
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Perhaps you did not understand my question.
I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?
I was not asking what makes a prophecy believable.

Seems relevant to me. If I predict that the sun will come up tomorrow, and it does, am I a prophet?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
As it so happens, much of what makes a prophecy believable is also what makes it determinable.
I was not asked what makes a prophecy believable.

I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?
That is a yes or no question.
If they are coming true they are coming true (yes) and if they are not coming true they are not coming true (no).

The implications of 'yes' is a completely different discussion. ;)
 

ppp

Well-Known Member
I asked: Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?
That is a yes or no question.
is it? Isn't the whole idea of prophecy is that there is some mystic connection between the utterance of the words and what can be construed as a matching event occurring? Suppose a world government forms tomorrow. Is that prophecy or coincidence?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Seems relevant to me. If I predict that the sun will come up tomorrow, and it does, am I a prophet?
It is not relevant to my OP because all I asked was:
Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

I was not saying that the prophecies that I cited or any other prophecies of Baha'u'llah prove that He was a Prophet. That is for other people to decide for themselves.

The indisputable fact is that Baha'u'llah prophecies have all come true and they are continuing to come true. What people make of that is their own choice.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member

It has become very apparent that the UN needs to empowered to act on breaches of International law in a swift and decisive manner.

The Structure of the UN has to ensure that Vetoed votes do not allow the law to be so blatantly ignored.

Regards Tony
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
It is not relevant to my OP because all I asked was:
Are Baha’u’llah’s prophecies coming true?

I was not saying that the prophecies that I cited or any other prophecies of Baha'u'llah prove that He was a Prophet. That is for other people to decide for themselves.

The indisputable fact is that Baha'u'llah prophecies have all come true and they are continuing to come true. What people make of that is their own choice.

You haven't cited them all, so I have no idea if that's true. But if they're all as vague as what you cited, then they're as mundane as me saying the sun will come up. So yes, his incredibly vague "prophesies" have come true, I guess? What's the relevance of that, though?
 
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