Holy war or unconditional love?

[Spirit of Light]

In our world today it is clearly many conflicts between humans, for various reasons.

But if we were to look at an solution that could reduce or even remove the conflicts fully. Some religions speak of holy war, others of unconditional love toward all people.

And a third option... to remove all forms of religions to remove hate??

OP starter will give his answer to what seems to be a good answer later, during discussion.

Everyone are welcome to give their view.

 

[sun rise]

My answer is that the Divine will resolve this and that people can help by loving thoughts, words and deeds.

 

[Spirit of Light]

My answer is that the Divine will resolve this and that people can help by loving thoughts, words and deeds.

Will the Divine open the eyes of people to see what is going on?

 

[danieldemol]

In our world today it is clearly many conflicts between humans, for various reasons.

But if we were to look at an solution that could reduce or even remove the conflicts fully. Some religions speak of holy war, others of unconditional love toward all people.

And a third option... to remove all forms of religions to remove hate??

OP starter will give his answer to what seems to be a good answer later, during discussion.

Everyone are welcome to give their view.

Many of the religions that speak of unconditional love are double speaking when it comes to the LGBT people, non-believers etc.

Personally I think unconditional love is more of an ideal to strive for than a practical path for humans.

For example if Putin and co where to invade Ukraine any further it would not strike me as being loving to the Ukrainian to let the assault on Ukraine go unchecked in the name of being loving to the Russians.

That being said, the concept of holy war seems most likely to end in mutually assured destruction at some point.

So humanity is caught between a rock and a hard place whereby cowardice and capitulation would allow an unchecked reign of terror on one hand, whilst fighting in wars merely for the sake of spreading religion would result in nuclear fire between competing world religions.

As to your third option, hate has many causes. Religion induced hatred is one of the causes, but if you are trying to remove hatred entirely you would have to remove all the causes, not just one.

In my opinion.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Many of the religions that speak of unconditional love are double speaking when it comes to the LGBT people, non-believers etc.

Personally I think unconditional love is more of an ideal to strive for than a practical path for humans.

For example if Putin and co where to invade Ukraine any further it would not strike me as being loving to the Ukrainian to let the assault on Ukraine go unchecked in the name of being loving to the Russians.

That being said, the concept of holy war seems most likely to end in mutually assured destruction at some point.

So humanity is caught between a rock and a hard place whereby cowardice and capitulation would allow an unchecked reign of terror on one hand, whilst fighting in wars merely for the sake of spreading religion would result in nuclear fire between competing world religions.

As to your third option, hate has many causes. Religion induced hatred is one of the causes, but if you are trying to remove hatred entirely you would have to remove all the causes, not just one.

In my opinion.

Do you see a "midleway" between the holy war AMD unconditional love as a better option for humans?

 

[Trinity Stooge]

The holiest war confronts the conditions I place on love and demands justification. It's an internal struggle.

 

[danieldemol]

Do you see a "midleway" between the holy war AMD unconditional love as a better option for humans?

I suppose you could call it a middle way if you wanted.

In my opinion.

 

[Viker]

"Holy" wars never achieve anything but adding more death and despair. Removing all religions would achieve the same and never address the core of hate. We tend to thrive on enmity and bask in chaos, unfortunately.

The only hope we have is unconditional love and acceptance for one another. I feel this may never really happen. It'd be nice.

 

[Spirit of Light]

"Holy" wars never achieve anything but adding more death and despair. Removing all religions would achieve the same and never address the core of hate. We tend to thrive on enmity and bask in chaos, unfortunately.

The only hope we have is unconditional love and acceptance for one another. I feel this may never really happen. It'd be nice.

Maybe each individual person who can hold unconditional love within them can inspire others to seek it too

 

[Viker]

Maybe each individual person who can hold unconditional love within them can inspire others to seek it too

Maybe. I wish. I don't want to go to war with anyone. It's so messy.

 

[PureX]

Most human beings don't hate anyone. Most human beings endeavor not to do anyone else harm. But we are easily frightened, and confused, and will then turn against each other thinking that we must sacrifice our neighbor to save ourselves. And this fear and confusion makes us vulnerable to those among us that do hate, and do wish to harm others.

I don't know how to give people more wisdom and courage so that they can stand together for the well being of all. Those who can reason in the face of their fear need to teach the others how, if that's possible. And those that really do wish to do others harm need to be identified, and their effectiveness minimized.

 

[Link]

I think we need to unite on truth and humanity is capable of it, we just haven't done it yet so stopped believing we can. If we try, we surely will in my view.

 

[Link]

The Quran shows a middle ground to all this. It says "if they incline to peace then incline to it" and says it doesn't forbid love for those who don't fight us for our religion. The problem when Obama trained Al-Nusra and gave them weapons, he wanted them to fight and attack Hezbollah after taking over Syria instead of being an ally to them. How can you teach that but with an extreme interpretation of Quran and Islam? To get Muslims to fight their Muslims brothers, you have to teach an very extreme interpretation of Islam like when British funded Wahabis to kill Sufi Muslims.

The result you had almost all of them transition to ISIS. He taught sectarian hate and justifying war for it, so what do you expect?

It would be a great deal of help if Israel, US and their allies stop meddling with interpretations of Islam and funding people.

 

[Link]

My answer is that the Divine will resolve this and that people can help by loving thoughts, words and deeds.

I believe justice is needed. Holding oppressors accountable is part of justice. Love equating oppressors and oppressed is injustice itself.

 

[Twilight Hue]

In our world today it is clearly many conflicts between humans, for various reasons.

But if we were to look at an solution that could reduce or even remove the conflicts fully. Some religions speak of holy war, others of unconditional love toward all people.

And a third option... to remove all forms of religions to remove hate??

OP starter will give his answer to what seems to be a good answer later, during discussion.

Everyone are welcome to give their view.

It's an impossible objective. Why?

Because no one will have the same thoughts and views as a consensus.

Best that can be achieved is varying periods of stability between conflicts through tolerance and coexistence.

 

[EtuMalku]

Wars are waged because of Religion and Money . . . eliminate both and we might live peacefully.

 

[Audie]

Wars are waged because of Religion and Money . . . eliminate both and we might live peacefully.

Theres other reasons.
And we trust you were being facetious.

 

[EtuMalku]

Theres other reasons.
And we trust you were being facetious.

What other reasons?

 

[Audie]

What other reasons?

Helen of Troy wasnt money.
WW 1 and 2 were not for money.
Invasion of Afghanistan wasnt fot money

Tell me you were being facetious.

 

[EtuMalku]

Helen of Troy wasnt money.
WW 1 and 2 were not for money.
Invasion of Afghanistan wasnt fot money

Tell me you were being facetious.

Helen of Troy (Trojan War) was mythology
WWI was political = power = money
WWII was political = power = money
The international conflict in Afghanistan was triggered by the September 11 attacks = religion