Protests Stopping People From Getting Vaccinated

[SkepticThinker]

And what is the other option? Quarantine forever?

Well there's the option of addressing what I said instead of going off into a Gish Gallop.

We're not in quarantine now, where I am. That's because people have been pretty responsible in terms of getting vaccinated and following social distancing measures.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Her point was that government is responsible to advance
public health. Of course, individuals are still responsible for
their own....the many irresponsible people notwithstanding.

Yes, thank you.

 

[SkepticThinker]

From the link....
"Long-term ingestion of N-nitroso-varenicline may be associated with a theoretical potential increased cancer risk in humans, but there is no immediate risk to patients taking this medication, according to a release from Pfizer."


One might compare the frequency & consequences of this
anti-smoking treatment's "theoretical risk" with the actual
frequency of smoking causing emphysema, coronary heart
disease, peripheral vascular disease, COPD, lung cancer,
throat cancer, colorectal cancer, etc.

Great point.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I have obvious evidence to the contrary. Guess I should just ignore what I see and go with random hearsay from the internet...

Tell you what: if you really believe that the vaccines do nothing, here's what we can do:

- whatever the COVID risk is for unvaccinated people, you give me that much money in dollars.
- whatever the COVID risk is for vaccinated people, I give you that much money in dollars.

If you're right, it'll net out so that neither of us owe each other anything.

If you're game, hit the spoiler button below.

Spoiler: Let's do it!

You owe me $69.30.

Ontario Dashboard - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table

 

[Wildswanderer]

Great, then go ahead and present it. I'd love to see it.

My wife was vaccinated and now has covid, so do some vaccinated coworkers. I'm not vaxxed and so far am not sick but isolating. Fortunately that doesn't require a huge change in my lifestyle.
That's what I mean by direct evidence as opposed to internet stats.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Tell you what: if you really believe that the vaccines do nothing, here's what we can do:

- whatever the COVID risk is for unvaccinated people, you give me that much money in dollars.
- whatever the COVID risk is for vaccinated people, I give you that much money in dollars.

If you're right, it'll net out so that neither of us owe each other anything.

If you're game, hit the spoiler button below.

Spoiler: Let's do it!

You owe me $69.30.

Ontario Dashboard - Ontario COVID-19 Science Advisory Table

That only works if the stats are accurate. And vaccine side effects haven't been figured in BTW.

Do people really base everything they do on internet stats?

 

[Wildswanderer]

Yes, thank you.

If we are responsible for our own health, then calling someone irresponsible for the choice they make is nonsense.

 

[InChrist]

It’s one thing for the government to advise and enact public health policies, but quite another thing when those government agencies are working with and enabling pharmaceutical companies to make billions in profits by mandating, bribing, threatening, intimidating or putting pressure on private companies to force people to submit to the use of pharmaceutical products or lose their livelihoods or freedom to participate in society. Pfizer is projected to make sales totaling 65 billion for 2021-2022... with the help of the CDC and FDA.

Pfizer expects 2021, 2022 COVID-19 vaccine sales to total at least $65 bln

 

[Watchmen]

My wife was vaccinated and now has covid, so do some vaccinated coworkers. I'm not vaxxed and so far am not sick but isolating. Fortunately that doesn't require a huge change in my lifestyle.
That's what I mean by direct evidence as opposed to internet stats.

That’s not direct evidence. That’s an anecdote, and fairly useless information.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My wife was vaccinated and now has covid, so do some vaccinated coworkers. I'm not vaxxed and so far am not sick but isolating. Fortunately that doesn't require a huge change in my lifestyle.
That's what I mean by direct evidence as opposed to internet stats.

Has she been hospitalized, put on a ventilator and/or is she dying? If not, then the vaccine works.
Don't forget about breakthrough infections from the variants that are now floating around (thanks to people who won't vaccinate or social distance).

Unvaccinated people have a 6.1x greater risk of testing positive for COVID than fully vaccinated people, and a 11.3x great chance of dying than vaccinated people.

COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness

By the way that's not "direct evidence." It's an anecdote.

 

[SkepticThinker]

If we are responsible for our own health, then calling someone irresponsible for the choice they make is nonsense.

How so?

 

[ecco]

Everyone is responsible for their own health, period.

Nonsense. During a pandemic, everyone needs to understand the nature of infectious diseases and act appropriately. In this country, since February 2020, everyone who has been infected has been infected by someone else carrying a virus. Since July of 2021, there is no reason for people still transmitting this disease in this country. Everyone getting seriously ill now is getting infected by someone like you.

You want a strong immune system, eat good stuff and get plenty of exercise, vitamin D etc.

You forgot the most important aspect of a good immunity system, good DNA. Naturally, you would want to ignore that since you cannot control it.

Quit expecting Daddy government to take care of you.

When too many ignorant, stupid, selfish people want to continue to infect others, it is time for the Government to step in. The Government mandates vaccines for young children to prevent the uncontrolled spread of things like polio. At least your parents took your health seriously. At least they didn't say, "Oh, we aren't going to give him a polio vaccine, his immune system is sure to be very good".

 

[ecco]

But when I'm healthy and haven't been exposed I'm not doing anything different than normal.

Are you really under the impression that the only people who can transmit the disease are those whow are feeling really bad?

That's not how it works. If you get infected, you can infect others long before you even know you are sick.

At this point, that is common knowledge. How is it that you are unaware of it?

That's what I mean by direct evidence as opposed to internet stats.

Anecdotes or not evidence. Stuff on FaceBook is not evidence. See below.

Do people really base everything they do on internet stats?

What "internet stats" are you referring to? Are you referring to stats compiled by the CDC and published on their website? Are you talking about the anecdotes that you post on RF?

Many of us are smart enough to know the difference. Obviously, some aren't.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Has she been hospitalized, put on a ventilator and/or is she dying? If not, then the vaccine works.
Don't forget about breakthrough infections from the variants that are now floating around (thanks to people who won't vaccinate or social distance).

Unvaccinated people have a 6.1x greater risk of testing positive for COVID than fully vaccinated people, and a 11.3x great chance of dying than vaccinated people.

COVID-19 Vaccine Effectiveness

By the way that's not "direct evidence." It's an anecdote.

Lol, what would be direct evidence? You people are so easily misled.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Everyone getting seriously ill now is getting infected by someone like you.

I guess I'll just go live in a cave forever, because someone on the internet told me I'm a bad boy for not getting a shot, thanks so much!

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Lol, what would be direct evidence? You people are so easily misled.

Side note. You articulated my views better than me. Not sure what else to add only that we'll see what happens.

 

[We Never Know]

From the link....
"Long-term ingestion of N-nitroso-varenicline may be associated with a theoretical potential increased cancer risk in humans, but there is no immediate risk to patients taking this medication, according to a release from Pfizer."


One might compare the frequency & consequences of this
anti-smoking treatment's "theoretical potential" risk with the
actual frequency of smoking causing emphysema, coronary
heart disease, peripheral vascular disease, COPD, lung
cancer, throat cancer, colorectal cancer, etc.

"there is no immediate risk to patients taking this medication, according to a release from Pfizer."

1. Kind of a waste of time and money to recall it all then don't you think?
2. Or they aren't telling us everything.

I'm going with 2.

 

[Revoltingest]

"there is no immediate risk to patients taking this medication, according to a release from Pfizer."

1. Kind of a waste of time and money to recall it all then don't you think?
2. Or they aren't telling us everything.

I'm going with 2.

#3 Very conservative approach to selling drugs, ie,
beneficial effects must greatly exceed potential detrimental effects.
The latter has costs far in excess of income from the former.
In short....
If a drug saved 10 but killed 1, then it would be pulled.

 

[We Never Know]

#3 Very conservative approach to selling drugs, ie,
beneficial effects must greatly exceed potential detrimental effects.
The latter has costs far in excess of income from the former.
In short....
If a drug saved 10 but killed 1, then it would be pulled.

With large corporations its always profit before people.

Examples..
Toxic waste dumps
Pollution
Climate change

Edit.
I've see and heard all the time people say the vaccine is free. Its not free per se being the government is paying for it and more than likely the government is paying 10x the price like they do on most everything.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

My wife was vaccinated and now has covid, so do some vaccinated coworkers. I'm not vaxxed and so far am not sick but isolating. Fortunately that doesn't require a huge change in my lifestyle.
That's what I mean by direct evidence as opposed to internet stats.

I was once injured by safety goggles.

Really: the strap hanging down got caught on the spinning shaft of the drill I was using. This rapidly pulled the drill straight at my face. The body of the drill smashed my goggles and the wire brush I had been using took a gouge out of my cheek.

From this anecdote, we can realize that safety goggles don't actually work, and they make things less safe.

After all, my sample size of one is only one off your sample size of two.

Don't try to convince me with "internet stats;" my mind's made up.