God discovered by Science

[Subduction Zone]

We're all standing on the same earth, my friend. And it's solidity is uncertain.

No, we are talking about reasoning. You can do better than this.

 

[ratiocinator]

How does mass cause gravity? Specifically, by what process are objects of mass attracted to each other?

The presence of mass changes the metric of ('curves') space-time and objects follow timelike geodesics through space-time. Not sure what you want. We have a theory of gravity that works.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The presence of mass changes the metric of ('curves') space-time and objects follow timelike geodesics through space-time. Not sure what you want. We have a theory of gravity that works.

I think that he is looking for a gap. It appears to be getting very very small. But that is where God is.

 

[RestlessSoul]

No. They are already doing that, and you know it.

To think a little deeper, then. To challenge their certitudes, and my own.

And to while away an idle hour at work.

 

[RestlessSoul]

They appear to be already doing that.

Sometimes I observe that the faithful will ask
questions that science doesn't answer, eg, why
is there matter? The non-answer is trumpeted
as evidence of the existence of their god.

I was brought up to believe it's rude to blow your own trumpet.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I was brought up to believe it's rude to blow your own trumpet.

There are quite a few different ways of being rude.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I think that he is looking for a gap. It appears to be getting very very small. But that is where God is.

In my view God is everywhere. And everywhere is very big indeed. Depending, obviously, on what we are comparing everywhere to.

Compared to everywhere else, it might actually be quite small. But there is always room for God there.

 

[Sophiaa]

I cannot tell you how the Universe was formed, but we have an understanding of how physical laws (such as Conservative of Mass and Energy) play a part in it, and these can function without a creator.

I can also tell you that the analogy, while poetic and inspiring, doea not function as a direct comparison:

1. For the poem, we have the enclosed room, the pen, paper, ink, and the rabbi left alone. We also know that poem are written by humans using these tools.

2. For the Universe, we do not have evidence that there is a god, nor are we certain that the Universe requires one. We do not have universe-making tools.

The only link is our suspicion that artifacts require an artificer. But we only know this for certain for human or animal artifacts. We do not know that the Universe itself is an artifact.

Nothing can function without a creator

Unless the poem wrote itself

The analogy fit in well if you believe in science with an open mind

The universe is just like the earth it equally enclosed with an intelligent infinite living being occupying it the same way we wrote the poem that same way he created the universe

Now assume within your self if this story did not tell you that the ribbi wrote the poem who are you going to assume wrote it

My friend we have evidence God created the universe because he gave us a Bible as the information he did it just like the story wrote who wrote the poem

The reason you do not know how the universe was created is because you know it did not come from nothing

 

[Revoltingest]

I was brought up to believe it's rude to blow your own trumpet.

It can cause hairy knuckles too.

 

[ChristineM]

Well yeah, that was my point.

It's easy to be dismissive of another person's hypothesis or contemptuous of their questions, but we do not stand on solid ground here, any of us.

Correct, i assumed that was understood at the frontiers of physics.

And of course we know gravity exists and works,

 

[Sophiaa]

Mass

Another circle

Who created mass

 

[ratiocinator]

Nothing can function without a creator

So a creator can't function without a creator. Isn't infinite regress fun?

 

[Revoltingest]

Another circle

Who created mass

No name mentioned, but this might help....
THE HISTORY OF THE MASS

 

[Revoltingest]

So a creator can't function without a creator. Isn't infinite regress fun?

They exempt the creator from needing a creator.

 

[ratiocinator]

Who created mass

That's called begging the question.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In my view God is everywhere. And everywhere is very big indeed. Depending, obviously, on what we are comparing everywhere to.

Compared to everywhere else, it might actually be quite small. But there is always room for God there.

It is fine to believe in a god, though not exactly rational. But it does not look as if there is any evidence for one.

 

[ChristineM]

Another circle

Who created mass

See my links in post #119, rhey explain how mass xame about, no god magic needed.

Of course if you don't want to learn feel free to ignore

 

[ratiocinator]

They exempt the creator from needing a creator.

Indeed. Swapping infinite regress for special pleading.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Another circle

Who created mass

It was me.

Last Tuesday.

I wasn't all that busy so I thought "Why not?"

 

[Sophiaa]

LOL, nice word salad.

The correct thing to do when you make an error and falsely accuse another of lying is to own up to your mistake and apologize to the one that you accused.

Try again.

Before I will apologize you have to say to me that my definition was not complete

Not saying no which is totally wrong

Admit it correct but not complete even in class any teach will score me B at least