Redemptionsong
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The response of Jesus to those who criticised his actions on the Sabbath was to say, 'Have you not read what David did, when he was a hungred, and they that were with him,You mean the words that other writers attributed to Jesus were usually loosely linked to ideas developed in Judaism. So that when Jesus makes a wrong statement about plucking wheat kernels on the sabbath it is connected to a biblical event. The word "the" is in the Hebrew scriptures but that doesn't mean that when I use it, the Hebrew scriptures become relevant.
"For himself"? What does that mean? A prophet who says "God sent me and here is the message" claims the words "for himself."
Yes, it is.
this verse is explicitly God speaking to and of the prophet in second person. The other verses are in the first person.
Clearly, the opinion that this refers to the prophet, himself, is informed by the context. Ignoring the later Christian-inserted chapter headings, one would see that only 3 verses earlier God (first person) speaks of the prophet he sends as distinct from the false prophets of Baal.
11:2 is separate -- the Ibn Ezra writes, "The majority of commentators apply this chapter to the Messiah, as if the prophet said, The Assyrian army, which is now attacking Jerusalem, will perish; but besides this partial deliverance, a time of complete redemption will come for Jerusalem. R. Moses Hakkohen refers the chapter to Hezekiah, on account of its being the continuation of the prophecy recorded in the preceding chapter."
So who says 11:2 is about the prophet?
You have some very sloppy readings going on here.
How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
But l say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
But if you had known what this meaneth, l will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day'.
The [Torah] Jewish idea of the Messiah as a man born of flesh but not of the Spirit of God is, lMO, at the root of the confusion over the identity of the Messiah. It's a mistake, l believe, to think that the Messiah is not the Son of God, and the Saviour.