metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
But it is the same God. Also, Muslims worship the same God.
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Idolatry and Christianity
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But what you're claiming here is one version of that God doesn't allow Christian worship because it's avodah zarah and includes Pagan elements, while the other considers it alright. This can't be the same God. Either it's alright or it's not, and since the Jewish conception of this God came first and he disapproves, what leads Christians to think it's now alright to worship a man they've made into God and engage in Pagan rituals such as Eucharist if it's the Jewish God?
No... not really. Maybe more like challenging a thought or a position?
that is the overall point, they have to be thirsty and want it. they will find the kingdom.
otherwise you're just beating a dead horse.
matthew 5:6
i think you got it backwards. you got three people claiming they know the path to god. but god doesn't separate itself that a path is necessary. mankind did the separating and is trying to create a path back.. the illusion is separation and a cherub(angel of love) guards the way with a flaming sword.
love drove them out of their minds; so that they wouldn't find the kingdom of god by peering outword but only inward at their own spirit. the tree was hidden within; so they themselves are the tree of life.
psalms 1:3
jeremiah 17:8
revelation 22
love is a river that wells up to everlasting life. the fountain of youth realized.
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I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying making here
True... true... but I think the fields are still white unto harvest.
Which is unusual in religion how?
It isn'tWhich is unusual in religion how?
that god isn't something separate and exclusive to this one religion vs that other religion. having a religion is a form of idolatry. idolatry is mentioned both in the torah, the ot, and the nt because it is something ultimately that separates all from knowing God. you cannot serve one thing above another; if god is omnipresent, pantheist. isaiah 66:1 jeremiah 23:24I'm honestly not sure what point you're trying making here
god is everywhere. love is. its always here. and if you go elsewhere, there too. ezekiel 48:35
god is something about self and other as self; which we call love.
a religion is unnecessary. one is not better than another, or the owner of love. unconditional love is the only thing needed
i found love in judaism, christianity, and islam.
you see the one that everyone has been waiting for, the christ, the maitreya, the friend, is not found in a religion but in friendship, the love of one for another as self.
what god hath joined together let no man put asunder.
god was realized when david and jonathan's souls were knit together
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Surely the ban on idolatry is all about protecting the brand from competition? Thou shalt have no gods before me changes to Thou shalt have no other gods.
cataway
Well-Known Member
is it ?
Because concepts of idolatry are open to interpretation. One person's idolatry is another person veneration.
This was a MAJOR topic of discussion and argument in Byzantine, with people on both sides of the fence in relation to things like depictions of God forming (basically) political parties pushing their doctrine, and trying to influence the patriarch on the subject.
There were even 'purges' of religious relics and objects after doctrinal changes.
It kinda feels like your OP is simply taking a position on this issue as if idolatry is easily defined, and people are consciously idolaters.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Basic human common sense.
What one condition expressed by humans didn't natural creation own. As to live by presence of all supports natural first... you do. Created.
Science never existed.
Design to build never existed.
Human men impose their idol. Science.
Then design builds their machine.
Machine their idol is also idle.
What they don't own. The mass that Alchemy by choice a scientist changes. Reacts. Converts. Gets energy. Consumes.
Their idol to force consuming of the bodies of gods creation.
Now we eat food. Consume water. Natural. Idol inferred spirit of gods for human the human spirit water bio food in water is allowed. Natural to honour reverence what we survive by.
Consuming in science is to take and burn up.
Mind human.
Mind designer human conscious.
Not conscious of mass.
Not conscious of conversion.
Not conscious of consuming. Machine status only.
Became mind possessed by its Interference referring radiation extra artificial causes.
As mind by design ended at machine. By understanding changed highest God state did Alchemy gained highest God state back. Natural metals.
Changing God without changing God scientists idealism.
As machine went from high source burnt converted cooled regained new high source by machine mass.
Possessed by machines factually and owning no argument as scientists lied. Possessed. Idol false is science.
What one condition expressed by humans didn't natural creation own. As to live by presence of all supports natural first... you do. Created.
Science never existed.
Design to build never existed.
Human men impose their idol. Science.
Then design builds their machine.
Machine their idol is also idle.
What they don't own. The mass that Alchemy by choice a scientist changes. Reacts. Converts. Gets energy. Consumes.
Their idol to force consuming of the bodies of gods creation.
Now we eat food. Consume water. Natural. Idol inferred spirit of gods for human the human spirit water bio food in water is allowed. Natural to honour reverence what we survive by.
Consuming in science is to take and burn up.
Mind human.
Mind designer human conscious.
Not conscious of mass.
Not conscious of conversion.
Not conscious of consuming. Machine status only.
Became mind possessed by its Interference referring radiation extra artificial causes.
As mind by design ended at machine. By understanding changed highest God state did Alchemy gained highest God state back. Natural metals.
Changing God without changing God scientists idealism.
As machine went from high source burnt converted cooled regained new high source by machine mass.
Possessed by machines factually and owning no argument as scientists lied. Possessed. Idol false is science.
idolatry is based on a hierarchical system. that simple. you just proved it with one man's treasure is another man's garbage. this is venerated and that is not. men decide to venerate/demean something greater/lesser than something else. men do that. it isn't necessary. isn't even needed.
the premise fails when the believer holds the position that i will be what i will be, or pantheism, or omnipresence.
man is an image of god but only one man's image is worshiped in a certain monotheistic belief system. why? man is not specific to one man. man is singular in relationship to a group. also, known as the son of man, or son of adam. malachi even says that we have one father. jesus said our father.
the problem is so rife with logical issues.
if the monotheist believes that their god is omnipresent, then how can they claim one form is greater than another with god being present in all?
if the monotheist believe the god is pantheistic, then again how can one object be greater than another if all is in god?
which generative thing is all that I AM?
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there are no other gods; if god is omnipresent. god is one thing having many forms as such.
thus the name, i will be what i will be. that which searches hearts and minds does this from within and not without.
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apart from me, there is no other.
the illusion is gods are external, separate from the whole but the whole cannot exist; if there is something apart, separate from it.
and if you ever look there, you will find me
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DNB
Christian
Who can account for one's interpretation of Scared text?
But, more to the point, idolatry is only when you take some created matter and regard it as intrinsically being the source of life, power, joy and well-being - attributes exclusive to God or divinity.
When one worships Jesus, like myself, for example, who does not believe that he is God by any stretch of the imagination, my adoration will never reach the level of challenging or offending God, for I know very well that Jesus is a creature, and is entirely impotent without God's bestowal of authority and power. I worship Jesus for being the only man that ever lived that was perfect, and loved God with all his heart, mind and soul - something both required and capable of myself, but I pathetically do not. Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, but God is the head of Christ, the creature.
DNB
Christian
There is absolutely no idolatry in any of the passages that you provided. Misguided affection is not idolatry. Idolatry is cognizantly ascribing divinity to a creature.
We all get distracted, and mis-prioritize many things, none of these are in defiance to the 2nd or 3rd commandments. David did not commit idolatry by being seduced by Bathesheba, but Solomon did by offering incense to the pagan gods and alters.
yes there is. one person is idolized because of their outward appearance vs another.
idolatry is based on outward appearance and not an inward awareness of christ in all.
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