Texas Law Banning Abortion After About Six Weeks Takes Effect

[Revoltingest]

Not at all. We have here a state literally forcing women to remain pregnant against their will, threatening serious punishment if they do not offer their bodies to be controlled by their government.

Although I guess you are right - it's closer to sex trafficking than literal bondage, which I suppose is technically legal in the US?

Denial of abortion means pregnancy is like sex trafficking, eh.
A novel view.

 

[Moonjuice]

Why not turn it over yo individual PEOPLE? Why should any government tell people they can or cannot have children?

What about people living on government assistance? If you cannot afford to raise the kids you have now without financial help from the government, you cannot have more children. Seems reasonable.

 

[We Never Know]

A law that bans abortion after about six weeks has taken effect in Texas:



Texas Law That Bans Abortion Before Many Women Know They're Pregnant Takes Effect

Furthermore, the law makes no exception for pregnancies from rape or incest:



The Governor Of Texas Has Signed A Law That Bans Abortion As Early As 6 Weeks

For a party that includes so many politicians and supporters citing "freedom," "bodily autonomy," and the "Constitution" as among their primary reasons when opposing mask and vaccine mandates as well as increased restrictions on gun ownership, the Republican Party seems quite inconsistent and anti-freedom in this case.

Trust Women clinic in Oklahoma says it typically gets three to five calls from Texans per day. In the last two days, they’ve got 50-55 calls from Texans.

Oklahoma clinic already seeing a surge in Texas patients as abortion law takes effect


New Texas Abortion Law Pushes Women to Out-Of-State Clinics | Texas News | US News

 

[pearl]

So the courts need to consider whether a state can avoid responsibility for the laws that it passes? Interesting! This gets into private prisons and such.

Prior to Roe v Wade there were two state that allowed abortion, New York and California. So leaving the abortion issue up to the states would be in the realm of possibility. But the way the Texas law is written anyone who in anyway aided the woman seeking abortion to travel to another state for the purpose of abortion could be held accountable and open to being sued by anybody, IOW bounty hunters.

 

[Revoltingest]

Prior to Roe v Wade there were two state that allowed abortion, New York and California. So leaving the abortion issue up to the states would be in the realm of possibility. But the way the Texas law is written anyone who in anyway aided the woman seeking abortion to travel to another state for the purpose of abortion could be held accountable and open to being sued by anybody, IOW bounty hunters.

I'd expect those who aid in out of state abortions would
from outside TX. A tort judgment in TX would be quite
impossible to collect from someone in another state.

Texan lawmakers were clever in using an abusive
civil court system to ban abortions. But pro-choicers
are clever too.

 

[Shaul]

I predict that in 20 years there will be some voters who agree with this who were not aborted.

 

[Revoltingest]

I predict that in 20 years there will be some voters who agree with this who were not aborted.

They'll likely be pro-choice.

 

[ecco]

Is this an attempt to circumvent any ruling that states cannot enforce abortion laws?

Is there a lawyer in the house?

This part will probably be found to be unconstitutional. However, in the short term...

• If Mary drives to Nevada to get an abortion
• If Mary gets a flat tire while still in Texas
• If AAA changes her flat
• The tow truck operator who changed her flat could be sued by anyone for "aiding an abortion".

This example may sound a little ridiculous, but let's watch the lawsuit gates open.

All of these individuals must pay damages to the person who sued them of at least $10,000 for each illegal abortion that they perform or assist.

That means fifty or hundreds of people could sue the same individual. The Anti-abortionists are probably putting together groups to sue each individual they feel like suing. The threat of fending off these suites will be enough to stop all abortions in Texas cold. Other Governors are now starting to try to implement identical laws.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Yep. The ability and freedom to pack up and go live in a state that fits your political views if one desires.

Oh okay, so rights and freedoms in America depend upon a state's political/religious beliefs?
So if Texas wants to set up their state as a religious theocracy, that's okay?

Wow.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I dunno about you, but I'm not keen on living in a uniform, regimented, and centralized nation where every state must answer to just one set of rules and regulations.

Sounds too much like Communist China.

I'm pretty keen on living in a country where one's rights are the same, no matter which state they happen to be in at the time.

 

[Wildswanderer]

A law that bans abortion after about six weeks has taken effect in Texas:



Texas Law That Bans Abortion Before Many Women Know They're Pregnant Takes Effect

Furthermore, the law makes no exception for pregnancies from rape or incest:



The Governor Of Texas Has Signed A Law That Bans Abortion As Early As 6 Weeks

For a party that includes so many politicians and supporters citing "freedom," "bodily autonomy," and the "Constitution" as among their primary reasons when opposing mask and vaccine mandates as well as increased restrictions on gun ownership, the Republican Party seems quite inconsistent and anti-freedom in this case.

It's a good start. We normally do not have the " freedom" to kill people, BTW.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It's a good start. We normally do not have the " freedom" to kill people, BTW.

A cow is more of a person than a six week old embryo. It has sentience, self-actualization, the capacity for reasoning and feels suffering.

I would sooner mandate vegetarianism than outlaw abortion.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

If there was a god, then these people are doing God's work: TikTok

Flooding the bounty hunter tip line reporting women going out of state to get an abortion, so that any legitimate reports can't get through. Setting up code and using TOR and VPN to get around IP bans.

 

[crossfire]

This part will probably be found to be unconstitutional. However, in the short term...

• If Mary drives to Nevada to get an abortion
• If Mary gets a flat tire while still in Texas
• If AAA changes her flat
• The tow truck operator who changed her flat could be sued by anyone for "aiding an abortion".

This example may sound a little ridiculous, but let's watch the lawsuit gates open.





That means fifty or hundreds of people could sue the same individual. The Anti-abortionists are probably putting together groups to sue each individual they feel like suing. The threat of fending off these suites will be enough to stop all abortions in Texas cold. Other Governors are now starting to try to implement identical laws.

Double jeopardy is unconstitutional as per the Fifth Amendment.

They have moved on from terrorism (bombing abortion clinics) and have gotten the State to sanction bounty hunters and Double Jeopardy.

 

[Regiomontanus]

It's a good start. We normally do not have the " freedom" to kill people, BTW.

Haven't you heard, unborn babies are not people

 

[crossfire]

This part will probably be found to be unconstitutional. However, in the short term...

• If Mary drives to Nevada to get an abortion
• If Mary gets a flat tire while still in Texas
• If AAA changes her flat
• The tow truck operator who changed her flat could be sued by anyone for "aiding an abortion".

This example may sound a little ridiculous, but let's watch the lawsuit gates open.





That means fifty or hundreds of people could sue the same individual. The Anti-abortionists are probably putting together groups to sue each individual they feel like suing. The threat of fending off these suites will be enough to stop all abortions in Texas cold. Other Governors are now starting to try to implement identical laws.

Actually allowing just anyone to file a lawsuit violates Texas's wrongful death guidelines:

Under Texas law, only the surviving spouse, children, and parents of a decedent can file a wrongful death lawsuit.
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[ADigitalArtist]

Haven't you heard, unborn babies are not people

Again, a cow is more of a person than a six week old embryo is. Personhood is a series of traits relating to sentience and self-actualization. For most of human history Christians as well as other civilizations didn't consider a baby a person until its first breath. When it became an individual.

Granted, personhood isn't really relevant to the abortion debate to me. It could be an entire human adult up there in the womb and if they would die upon removal but the mother retracted consent to use her body then they die.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Again, a cow is more of a person than a six week old embryo is. Personhood is a series of traits relating to sentience and self-actualization. For most of human history Christians as well as other civilizations didn't consider a baby a person until its first breath. When it became an individual.

Granted, personhood isn't really relevant to the abortion debate to me. It could be an entire human adult up there in the womb and if they would die upon removal but the mother retracted consent to use her body then they die.

If that works for you...OK

 

[Revoltingest]

Double jeopardy is unconstitutional as per the Fifth Amendment.

They have moved on from terrorism (bombing abortion clinics) and have gotten the State to sanction bounty hunters and Double Jeopardy.

Double jeopardy applies only to criminal law, & then
only to one venue, eg, the fed can try someone for a
crime that the state alreadyvdid, & failed to convict.
Under civil law, one can keep bringing suit until a
judge rules dismissal "with prejudice".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Haven't you heard, unborn babies are not people

There's people who will even argue that infants are not "persons". Says more about them than anything else, really.