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An irrefutable proof that Jesus is God

Bethel

Bethel

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Link said:
Where do you get this notion from?

I'm terribly confused. According to Shiite hadiths, majority of the people who enter paradise are women.
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Im just asking you.

I was informed of this by a Muslim.

He was explaining this.........Our’an 44:51-54 which teaches that the Islamic men get virgin wives in Allah's heaven (paradise).
So, what do the women get?
See the issue?
If the women get .....Our’an 44:51-54....then that means they are getting WIVES.....and that would be homosexuality that is forbidden by Islam.

Can you explain, then, how Islamic women get wives in Paradise, and this not be Homosexuality that is forbidden ?
The Muslim i talked to told me..."well, allah will one day resolve this issue".

Has He yet?
 
Teritos

Teritos

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Shadow Wolf said:
This thread is a great example of the folly of Abrahamic religions. None of them can ever demonstrate the other wrong, and it's nothing more than "what my beliefs say" getting thrown around with an unshakable belief everybody else is wrong.
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Christianity isn't an "abrahamic religion".

We believe another Abraham, not the same like Judaism or Islam.
 
Link

Link

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Premium Member
Bethel said:
Im just asking you.

I was informed of this by a Muslim.

He was explaining this.........Our’an 44:51-54 which teaches that the Islamic men get virgin wives in Allah's heaven (paradise).
So, what do the women get?
See the issue?
If the women get .....Our’an 44:51-54....then that means they are getting WIVES.....and that would be homosexuality that is forbidden by Islam.

Can you explain, then, how Islamic women get wives in Paradise, and this not be Homosexuality that is forbidden ?
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Azwaj is plural, it can be either husbands or wives. Homosexuality is forbidden yes. The Quran says "as a reward of what they use to do", I don't see why men would get purified partners and women not in heaven. Seems they both earned the reward. But I'm not sure either way other than grammar allows both interpretations.
 
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Link

Link

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In Surah Fajr, the "tranquil souls" is feminine plural but includes male souls. So you have to know this about Arabic grammar.
 
Bethel

Bethel

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Hockeycowboy said:
Oh yeah, it’s refutable!
If Jesus was YHWH, he wouldn’t have said, “Not as I will, but as You will.”
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Jesus was a man, as well as Deity.
So, as a man, He had a body that was provided for the sin of the world.
The Humanity of Jesus, was not disabled because He was God in the Flesh.
So, it was Jesus the Man who felt the nails that nailed Him to the Tree.
It was Jesus the Man, who was popping blood vessels from His face, in the Garden of Gethsemane, knowing of the agony that He was going to FEEL, very soon.
So, God in Man, is Christ, and Jesus is Emmanuel, ...."God with Us".
God became one of us, to offer His Salvation to all of us, on the Cross.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

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An irrefutable proof that Jesus is God

Kindly give clear, straightforward and unambiguous claim from Jesus and gist of reason/s given by him in first person, please. Kindly no spoon-feeding to your god, as it will
constitute a denial of him being helpless to claim and give good reason/s, please.
Right?

Regards
 
Bethel

Bethel

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Link said:
In Surah Fajr, the "tranquil souls" is feminine plural but includes male souls. So you have to know this about Arabic grammar.
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So the issue is translation... ??????????
As this """ ”€œAny Jihadi who dies is assured of six or eight virgins in the heaven,”€ or ”€œMen will have beautiful Houris in the heaven.”""" = does not literally mean MEN, ????? even tho it says men.......you are saying that Azwaj, is to be implied when that verse is given.
Ok, well, another Muslim does not agree, so, i'll leave it there.

Now let me ask you one more...
Do you have to die as a Jihadi (kill yourself killing an infidel) to be allowed into Allah's heaven and get the Virgin wives/husbands??????, or does any Muslim who dies automatically go there, upon their death and get them??
 
Link

Link

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Bethel said:
So the issue is translation...
As this """ ”€œAny Jihadi who dies is assured of six or eight virgins in the heaven,”€ or ”€œMen will have beautiful Houris in the heaven.”"""

Does not literally mean MEN, even tho is says men.......you are saying that Azwaj, is to be implied when that verse is given.
Ok, well, another Muslim does not agree, so, i'll leave it there.


Now let me ask you one more...
Do you have to die as a Jihadi (kill yourself killing an infidel) to be allowed into Allah's heaven, or does any Muslim who dies automatically go there, upon their death?
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Let's open a new thread about your queries. It seems you have a lot misconceptions about Islam.
 
Bethel

Bethel

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Link said:
Let's open a new thread about your queries. It seems you have a lot misconceptions about Islam.
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And you are not making them more clear., just more Obtuse.

So, another Thread is not going to offer clarity, it will just provide you with a Pulpit.
No need for that situation.
 
Father Heathen

Father Heathen

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This very post is irrefutable proof that I am god.

Read the following: I am god.

See? Says so right above, and if God said it then it must be true.
 
Link

Link

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Father Heathen said:
This very post is irrefutable proof that I am god.

Read the following: I am god.

See? Says so right above, and if God said it then it must be true.
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Your post rings of truth, that God has to prove his book being from himself and part of that is it has to be coherent, rational, as well as high in spirituality and eloquence. If he says irrational things, how can he expect people to believe in the book in the first place?

Is trinity rational even let's say if the Gospels taught it?
 
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