Loving people for who they are.

[Spirit of Light]

I believe this is the beginning of becoming a human being who embrace every human being for who they are with unconditional love from within.

Loving someone for whom they are, does not mean we must be 100% agree with what they say or do it means we accept that people are different than our self. it means even we hold a certain view, we fully let others hold their view without judging them by our own standards.

Instead of hate or frustration toward others, one begin to see the beauty in who they are because of what they do, not because we want them to be like our self.

And we can forgive them when they do us wrong

This world is meant for love and caring

 

[We Never Know]

I believe this is the beginning of becoming a human being who embrace every human being for who they are with unconditional love from within.

Loving someone for they are, does not mean we must be 100% agree with what they say or do it means we accept that people are different than our self. it means even we hold a certain view, we fully let others hold their view without judging them by our own standards.

Instead of hate or frustration toward others, one begin to see the beauty in who they are because of what they do, not because we want them to be like our self.

And we can forgive them when they do us wrong

This world is meant for love and caring

That does have limitations right?
How can you expect someone to love a child molester, which is who he or she is.

 

[Spirit of Light]

That does have limitations right?
How can you expect someone to love a child molester, which is who he or she is.

To love the person and not their action words or thoughts.
People are different in how they do things, say things or thinking, but we are all human beings. And people like the ones you mention, need help, and if we can , it is better to offer them help then to hate them. (in my belief)

 

[JustGeorge]

it is better to offer them help then to hate them. (in my belief)

Its true, I feel.

Even with the vilest of human beings, hating them does... nothing. Perhaps it might fill a personal self indignation, but it won't aid the situation any.

That doesn't mean criminals should run free, and all should be able to do as they wish, but hatred generally only hurts the one containing it. If one cannot help but to hate, its still more productive to act for love of the victim than hate of the perpetrator.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Its true, I feel.

Even with the vilest of human beings, hating them does... nothing. Perhaps it might fill a personal self indignation, but it won't aid the situation any.

That doesn't mean criminals should run free, and all should be able to do as they wish, but hatred generally only hurts the one containing it. If one cannot help but to hate, its still more productive to act for love of the victim than hate of the perpetrator.

Criminals should be punished according to the law in the country yes But to give them a form of help during their time in prison, institutions and so is also to help them.
when it comes to helping the victim, that is of most important too, to have a team who understand what a victim has gone through, and be able to help them in any possible way.

As a private person, what we can do is to offer a shoulder to cry on, and help to get in touch with the right people who can keep helping the victim during their recovery.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That does have limitations right?
How can you expect someone to love a child molester, which is who he or she is.

You can love a child molester (if its someone you know well to warrant that love) without loving her actions. Love from a distance?

 

[Spirit of Light]

You can love a child molester (if its someone you know well to warrant that love) without loving her actions. Love from a distance?

To me it is more about loving the human being as a human being, not about what they have done in the past, as in wrong action, word or thoughts. And to not judge them for who they have been, who they are or what they will become.

This is a form of love that is growing from within me, it is still in develpment.

 

[We Never Know]

You can love a child molester (if its someone you know well to warrant that love) without loving her actions. Love from a distance?

No i can't. When someine rips all innocence from a child and scar's them for the rest of their life... Love is not what I have for them.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Idealistic mantras often have a unique way of collapsing under their own weight in the real world.

Sometimes survival requires judicious direction of one's emotional energy, including love. I doubt "love everyone for who they are" has much, if any, value to most people in, say, a situation where militias killed their family in a civil war. I see conditonal love as perfectly reasonable and appropriate as long as the conditions for love are as well.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Idealistic mantras have a unique way of collapsing under their own weight in the real world.

Sometimes survival requires judicious direction of one's emotional energy, including love. I doubt "love everyone for who they are" has much, if any, value to most people in, say, a situation where militias killed their family in a civil war. I see conditonal love as perfectly reasonable and appropriate as long as the conditions for love are as well.

I can understand your view on this, And to love unconditionally even in the worsed of times can, and will be truly difficult, I believe in it and see it as a way of life. But i would not ask of others to be just like me Each person has to go the path they find true to them, and if unconditional love is impossible to achieve for them, then so it is.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To me it is more about loving the human being as a human being, not about what they have done in the past, as in wrong action, word or thoughts. And to not judge them for who they have been, who they are or what they will become.

This is a form of love that is growing from within me, it is still in develpment.

Since so many have different experiences and backgrounds I don't think everyone sees love the same way when defining it by love for a human being as a human being. There's always been conditions to love people in maybe majority of minds. I mean love is rarely a word I heard about growing up, so I wouldn't know another word to call it to have some sort of respect (severe lack of better words) for another as a human being. I guess my moto is if I do X and can't call my self as a human being evil (whatever), why would I others. If I can't hold others at the same at the standards as myself than I'd be a hypocrite.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Since so many have different experiences and backgrounds I don't think everyone sees love the same way when defining it by love for a human being as a human being. There's always been conditions to love people in maybe majority of minds. I mean love is rarely a word I heard about growing up, so I wouldn't know another word to call it to have some sort of respect (severe lack of better words) for another as a human being. I guess my moto is if I do X and can't call my self as a human being evil (whatever), why would I others. If I can't hold myself at the standards than I'd be a hypocrite.

To stay true to the standard is truly sometimes difficult for sure I am aware that for my self, there are still many things to work on as a human being, so being aware of ones own speech, action and thoughts become even more important.
Maybe i share this kind of OP because i do believe in it with all my heart, i honestly believe it is possible to love unconditionally, and forgive what comes my way of hardships.

 

[JustGeorge]

Idealistic mantras have a unique way of collapsing under their own weight in the real world.

One of the most surprising things for me was when I came to one day and realized I loved the enemy.

I was lucky enough to have not lost anyone in our home invasion, but some of that was just good luck and a conveniently placed police officer. And I can tell you I sure didn't love our attackers the next day, or the day after. I said some really nasty things I wouldn't say now. I thought some really nasty things I don't think now. But I changed, little by little.

First, hate turned to sympathy. One of the men that attacked us got shot. I didn't recognize him on the news, but my roommate did. I asked him "Are you sure that's him?" He said "when someone points a gun in your face, you don't forget the guy on the other end of the barrel." Point taken. I didn't question anymore. Another went to jail for something else. I couldn't help think of the guy's mother. Perhaps his girlfriend. Did he have kids? Would they grow up without a dad? Would they grow up, scared, like he was?

I didn't think about it too much. But one day I was at a UU church, and we were talking about local social issues. I mentioned my city needed help with young men falling into gangs. The reverend said "you can't help people like that" and I blew up. I screamed and cried. And for someone who was too shy to hold a normal conversation, this was quite a feat. But some dam broke for me, and I realize the hate I held for those men had turned into love, and I didn't want anyone else to suffer like they must have been.

Its a ripple effect. I could go on how my life and home were forever uprooted, but if they hadn't lived such ugly lives, they likely wouldn't have behaved that way. Sometimes it takes loving someone doing something despicable to change the pattern.

 

[osgart]

There's only one condition to love and that is to prohibit evil.

Mercy even has bounds. There's a lot of forgivable things.

Atrocity is unforgivable. Maybe in an eternal hell deserved there is redemption for a soul.

I don't see any other way of it.

I suppose you can love what a person should at least be but aren't even that.

 

[Spirit of Light]

There's only one condition to love and that is to prohibit evil.

Mercy even has bounds. There's a lot of forgivable things.

Atrocity is unforgivable. Maybe in an eternal hell deserved there is redemption for a soul.

I don't see any other way of it.

I suppose you can love what a person should at least be but aren't even that.

May it be that unconditional love can conquer evil, render it mute in a way?

 

[Debater Slayer]

One of the most surprising things for me was when I came to one day and realized I loved the enemy.

I was lucky enough to have not lost anyone in our home invasion, but some of that was just good luck and a conveniently placed police officer. And I can tell you I sure didn't love our attackers the next day, or the day after. I said some really nasty things I wouldn't say now. I thought some really nasty things I don't think now. But I changed, little by little.

First, hate turned to sympathy. One of the men that attacked us got shot. I didn't recognize him on the news, but my roommate did. I asked him "Are you sure that's him?" He said "when someone points a gun in your face, you don't forget the guy on the other end of the barrel." Point taken. I didn't question anymore. Another went to jail for something else. I couldn't help think of the guy's mother. Perhaps his girlfriend. Did he have kids? Would they grow up without a dad? Would they grow up, scared, like he was?

I didn't think about it too much. But one day I was at a UU church, and we were talking about local social issues. I mentioned my city needed help with young men falling into gangs. The reverend said "you can't help people like that" and I blew up. I screamed and cried. And for someone who was too shy to hold a normal conversation, this was quite a feat. But some dam broke for me, and I realize the hate I held for those men had turned into love, and I didn't want anyone else to suffer like they must have been.

Its a ripple effect. I could go on how my life and home were forever uprooted, but if they hadn't lived such ugly lives, they likely wouldn't have behaved that way. Sometimes it takes loving someone doing something despicable to change the pattern.

I don't think compassion and understanding require love. Perhaps we are defining "love" differently here in the first place: to me, it entails not just compassion and understanding but also deep feelings of concern, affection, and bonding. While I can feel and have indeed felt the first two toward people who have severely wronged me, the last three are a different story. I don't feel deep affection or bonding toward, say, the guy who outed me as an atheist when I trusted him, even though I understand why his upbringing led to his being the way he is.

I believe compassion and understanding are crucial qualities for people to foster and develop, but I don't view them as the only constituents of what love is.

 

[JustGeorge]

I don't think compassion and understanding require love. Perhaps we are defining "love" differently here in the first place

Yeah, I can see that the definition matters in this case! I agree, I feel we are defining it differently.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What's the definition of love?

I can love, for lack of better words, a child rapist as a human being but understanding, compassion, wouldn't be an instinct I have. I can say she is a human being and not a monster or animal but that doesn't mean I don't hold her accountable for her behaviors.

So, maybe each person's definition of love is different?

Conscious

 

[Spirit of Light]

What's the definition of love?

I can love, for lack of better words, a child rapist as a human being but understanding, compassion, wouldn't be an instinct I have. I can say she is a human being and not a monster or animal but that doesn't mean I don't hold her accountable for her behaviors.

So, maybe each person's definition of love is different?

Conscious

You are right that each human will see and understand love differently
Uncondition love of human beings in general goes out from that person to all human race in form of loving them for who they are both in good and bad, being able to forgive them when they hurt you. This means example if I can hold unconditional love in my heart, but knowing that someone else has been hurt, i do not approve of the hurtful action toward others. So again loving the person but not all their action toward others.

If the hurtful action is done toward me, unconditional love is to be able to forgive them in the same moment i get hurt, to understand that there might be reasons for the harm that i can not see or understand at that moment in time.
Am i fully able to forgive everyone in the moment they harm me? probably not because i have still a long way to go too. But working with my own thoughts about what happen i can be able to forgive fully, as soon as possible.

Hope this helped a little (its a difficult topic to explain)

Edit: Unconditional love is to love someone with your whole heart without expecting anything back in return for the love you give them.

 

[osgart]

May it be that unconditional love can conquer evil, render it mute in a way?

I don't think so. Unconditional love is for those that deserve it.
Mercy is for those that warrant it.

How would UL change a thing about an evil soul?