John 14:6

[Jainarayan]

Usual problems... Who wrote the Bhagavad-Gita and who wrote the gospels? Was it the "manifestation" or people?

If people when did they write it? Can we trust them to be quoting the manifestation accurately? Well, probably not...

In the case of the Gospels it was by humans who were allegedly eyewitnesses (except Luke). But they were written, or dictated to others, at least 50 years after Jesus. That would have put the writers in their 70s and 80s. I’m almost 64 and can’t remember details from 10 years ago.

The Bhagavad Gita was written as it happened. Sanjaya, King Dhritarashtra’s charioteer/secretary/confidant was given “divine sight” to know exactly what was happening on the battlefield as it happened, simultaneously... conversations, actions, and all. So he was an eyewitness and “earwitness” to the conversation between Sri Krishna and Arjuna.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe that is total garbage. The Paraclete came at Pentecost when believers were gathered in the upper room.

The Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4), but it was sent again in the last days that we are now living in. In that same chapter in which we find the Pentecost account, we have (Acts 2:17-21) showing that God would once again pour out His Spirit upon all flesh:

Acts 2:17-21 was spoken by the prophet Joel, and it was a prophecy that referred to the last days, the days when Christ would return.

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:17-21And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 2:17-21 is a prophecy and it has been fulfilled by the coming of Baha’u’llah.

All these wonders in the heavens and signs on the earth happened before Baha’u’llah appeared, and thus He fulfilled the prophecies for the Return of Christ.

Revelation 6:12-14 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.…

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:24-26”But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

“As we look, we find the events recorded (in Revelation), following on in the order predicted.” (Our Day in the Light of Prophecy, Spicer, p. 77.) These events which he listed were as follows:

1. The Lisbon earthquake, 1755. 1755 Lisbon earthquake
2. The Dark Day, 1780. New England's Dark Day
3. The Falling Stars, 1833. The Falling of the Stars

It is interesting to note that the great star-fall came on the night of 12 November, which is the birthday of Bahá’u’lláh.

Excerpts from: http://bahai-library.com/pdf/s/sears_thief_night.pdf

There is much more detail regarding the fulfillment of these prophecies and all the other prophecies for the return of Christ in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.

 

[CG Didymus]

In the Bhagavad-Gita Ch 9 verse 18 Lord Krishna says:

I am the Supreme Goal of all living beings, and I am also their Sustainer, Master, Witness, Abode, Shelter, and Friend. I am the Origin, End, and Resting Place of creation; I am the Storehouse and Eternal Seed.

In Ch 10 verse 32 He also says:

Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.

Centuries before Christ appeared Krishna had already made these claims. Christ’s Words are not unique nor confined to Himself only, as previous Avatars have uttered the same Words thousands of years earlier.

My post was in response to Loverofhumanity's. It is easy to say that Krishna and Jesus were making the same claim. But the Baha'is don't interpret those verses as if Krishna and Jesus were saying they are literally, themselves God but were speaking in a figurative way. And I can kind of see that with Jesus, maybe, but didn't Krishna make it clear that he was an incarnation of the God Vishnu?

People incorrectly think of the Daśavatāra (lit. Ten Avatars) being His only appearances. There are 24 that are gleaned from the Bhagavata Purana, aka Srimad Bhagavatam. There may be thousands more of anśavatāra (partial) in all parts of the world, times, cultures. Many of them denied being God.

In the case of the Gospels it was by humans who were allegedly eyewitnesses (except Luke). But they were written, or dictated to others, at least 50 years after Jesus. That would have put the writers in their 70s and 80s. I’m almost 64 and can’t remember details from 10 years ago.

The Bhagavad Gita was written as it happened. Sanjaya, King Dhritarashtra’s charioteer/secretary/confidant was given “divine sight” to know exactly what was happening on the battlefield as it happened, simultaneously... conversations, actions, and all. So he was an eyewitness and “earwitness” to the conversation between Sri Krishna and Arjuna.

That's interesting. Because that should mean that those words are accurate in the same way that the words Muhammad spoke were written down. For the Christians, they can't say that, but they do say that the Holy Spirit guided them to remember the things that were said and done by Jesus. But then, the question is, were the writers there when these things happened? I think it is more likely the gospels were based on legends and traditions. So to say Jesus said he was God or that God spoke from heaven, any of those kinds of things could have easily been added into the story as it got passed down.

 

[Truthseeker]

And I can kind of see that with Jesus, maybe, but didn't Krishna make it clear that he was an incarnation of the God Vishnu?

That is recorded after the passage of thousands of years. It is also embedded in a fictional epic called the Mahabharata. I have no idea what Krishna actually said or taught. That is just my personal opinion, the other Baha'is have their own opinion.

 

[allright]

When Jesus was asked if only a few people would be saved he gave the parable of the
wide and narrow path His answer can be summarized as "yes only a few people are going to be saved"

In John hes says" fear not little flock it is the Fathers goog pleasure to give you the kingdom"

You either repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your Lord and as Saviour or reject him

as a liar and deceiver. There is only one path to God. Its either his way or the wide highway to hell

 

[Trailblazer]

When Jesus was asked if only a few people would be saved he gave the parable of the wide and narrow path His answer can be summarized as "yes only a few people are going to be saved"

There is only one path to God. Its either his way or the wide highway to hell

Matthew 7:13-14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

When Jesus said that, Christianity was the narrow gate that led to life. It was narrow because there were very few Christians in the first centuries, but Christianity is no longer the narrow road. It is now a wide road because many people have entered through it. Given that Christianity is now the largest religion in the world, Christianity is no longer the narrow road that leads to life.

In every new age, the religion at the narrow gate is the new religion God wants us to find and follow, and it is the gate that leads to eternal life. But it is not that easy for most people to find this gate because most people are steeped in religious tradition or attached to what they already believe. If they do not have a religion, most people are suspicious of the new religion and the new messenger. If they are atheists they do not like the idea of messengers of God or they think they are all phonies.

Jesus told us to enter through the narrow gate, the gate that leads to eternal life, and Jesus said few people would find that gate... It is narrow, so it is difficult to get through... It is difficult to get through because one has to be willing to give up all their preconceived ideas, have an open mind, and think for themselves. Most people do not normally embark upon such a journey. They go through the wide gate, the easy one to get through – their own religious tradition or their own preconceived ideas about God or no god. They follow that broad road that is easiest for them to travel.

I believe that the Baha'i Faith is now the narrow gate and the narrow road that leads to eternal life in this age. The Baha’i Faith and is the narrow gate because only a few people recognize God’s new religion in the beginning and enter through that gate.

 

[Muffled]

The Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4), but it was sent again in the last days that we are now living in. In that same chapter in which we find the Pentecost account, we have (Acts 2:17-21) showing that God would once again pour out His Spirit upon all flesh:

Acts 2:17-21 was spoken by the prophet Joel, and it was a prophecy that referred to the last days, the days when Christ would return.

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Acts 2:17-21And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Acts 2:17-21 is a prophecy and it has been fulfilled by the coming of Baha’u’llah.

All these wonders in the heavens and signs on the earth happened before Baha’u’llah appeared, and thus He fulfilled the prophecies for the Return of Christ.

Revelation 6:12-14 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.…

Matthew 24:29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mark 13:24-26”But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

“As we look, we find the events recorded (in Revelation), following on in the order predicted.” (Our Day in the Light of Prophecy, Spicer, p. 77.) These events which he listed were as follows:

1. The Lisbon earthquake, 1755. 1755 Lisbon earthquake
2. The Dark Day, 1780. New England's Dark Day
3. The Falling Stars, 1833. The Falling of the Stars

It is interesting to note that the great star-fall came on the night of 12 November, which is the birthday of Bahá’u’lláh.

Excerpts from: http://bahai-library.com/pdf/s/sears_thief_night.pdf

There is much more detail regarding the fulfillment of these prophecies and all the other prophecies for the return of Christ in the book Thief in the Night by William Sears.

I believe this is constantly being fulfilled and is in me so I an writing the truth by the Holy Spirit but I do not see the same from the B man.

I believe that is unconstitutional. What I mean by that is that it is outside what constitutes the return.

 

[Muffled]

That is recorded after the passage of thousands of years. It is also embedded in a fictional epic called the Mahabharata. I have no idea what Krishna actually said or taught. That is just my personal opinion, the other Baha'is have their own opinion.

I believe I am not sure what the Mahabharata is but I believe it is not fiction. I don' believe it is the word of God and I don't believe Krishna's claim to be an incarnation of God.

 

[Muffled]

When Jesus was asked if only a few people would be saved he gave the parable of the
wide and narrow path His answer can be summarized as "yes only a few people are going to be saved"

In John hes says" fear not little flock it is the Fathers goog pleasure to give you the kingdom"

You either repent of your sins and accept Jesus as your Lord and as Saviour or reject him

as a liar and deceiver. There is only one path to God. Its either his way or the wide highway to hell

I believe I am not so sure about the few concept. In Revelations there is a multitude of people and the New Jerusalem is big enough to hold billions of people.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe that is unconstitutional. What I mean by that is that it is outside what constitutes the return.

Unconstitutional? What is unconstitutional about it?

 

[Bree]

An important controversy in Christianity is the interpretation of whether or not Jesus made exclusive claims where He envisaged no one could come to God except through Him, or whether a biblical theology should allow for the validity of other religions. An important verse used by Christian exclusivists to justify their theology is John 14:6 where Jesus speaks to His Disciples:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is the best way to understand John 14:6 and why?

We must appreciate that the creator Jehovah is the God of all mankind. He is the creator of all nations and therefore he rightly deserves the worship of all mankind in the way he chooses.

Therefore, he sent a spokesperson from the heavens to be the one that all nations could look to, learn from and received salvation through.

If we choose some other path, we are simply rejecting Gods means of salvation that he provided in Jesus Christ and this will make it impossible for a person to trully know and worship their creator and their God. False religion will be gone soon and only the path that God has created in Jesus will stand. If we are not already on that path we just might miss out.

 

[Trailblazer]

We must appreciate that the creator Jehovah is the God of all mankind. He is the creator of all nations and therefore he rightly deserves the worship of all mankind in the way he chooses.

Therefore, he sent a spokesperson from the heavens to be the one that all nations could look to, learn from and received salvation through.

Jesus never said that God could only have one spokesperson, that is simply a Christian belief.
Jesus was the mediator between God and man (1Timothy 2:5) but that only applied to a given period of time, not to all of time.

Didn't it ever occur to you that an omnipotent God can send a spokesperson whenever He wants to send one, and that God might have sent another spokesman after He sent Jesus? How much sense does it make that there are almost as many Muslims as Christians in the world who believe that Muhammad is God's spokesperson? What kind of God would allow that many people to be wrong about Him?

If we choose some other path, we are simply rejecting Gods means of salvation that he provided in Jesus Christ and this will make it impossible for a person to trully know and worship their creator and their God.

But if Baha'ullah is God's spokesperson for this new age then you are rejecting the salvation He offered and that will make it truly impossible for you to know what was offered by God in this new age. God wants everybody to be saved, not just Christians.

“Wert thou to consider, for but a little while, the outward works and doings of Him Who is the Eternal Truth, thou wouldst fall down upon the ground, and exclaim: O Thou Who art the Lord of Lords! I testify that Thou art the Lord of all creation, and the Educator of all beings, visible and invisible. I bear witness that Thy power hath encompassed the entire universe, and that the hosts of the earth can never dismay Thee, nor can the dominion of all peoples and nations deter Thee from executing Thy purpose. I confess that Thou hast no desire except the regeneration of the whole world, and the establishment of the unity of its peoples, and the salvation of all them that dwell therein.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 243

False religion will be gone soon and only the path that God has created in Jesus will stand. If we are not already on that path we just might miss out.

You are free to hold that exclusivist belief that Christianity is the only true religion if you want to, even though it makes absolutely no logical sense that all the other religions in the world are false. You believe in something that you 'believe' will happen in the future and that is your hope, but it is not a fact unless it actually happens, it is just a belief and it is a belief that is not even supported by the Bible. Of course you can cherry-pick a few verses and interpret them to mean what you want them to mean in order to support your beliefs, but your beliefs can easily be refuted by different interpretations of those verses and the remainder of what is in the Bible.

 

[Truthseeker]

We must appreciate that the creator Jehovah is the God of all mankind. He is the creator of all nations and therefore he rightly deserves the worship of all mankind in the way he chooses.

Therefore, he sent a spokesperson from the heavens to be the one that all nations could look to, learn from and received salvation through.

If we choose some other path, we are simply rejecting Gods means of salvation that he provided in Jesus Christ and this will make it impossible for a person to trully know and worship their creator and their God. False religion will be gone soon and only the path that God has created in Jesus will stand. If we are not already on that path we just might miss out.

What about all the people before Jesus? They then had nowhere to turn? They couldn't truly know and worship God?

Why not more than one today? Do you really know that is the way He chooses?

My observation also is that those in one region of the world tend to form a majority to a given religion. Are those in the European and Americas regions of the world favored by God or is he the God of all mankind impartially?

 

[Dogknox20]

We must appreciate that the creator Jehovah is the God of all mankind. He is the creator of all nations and therefore he rightly deserves the worship of all mankind in the way he chooses.

Therefore, he sent a spokesperson from the heavens to be the one that all nations could look to, learn from and received salvation through.

If we choose some other path, we are simply rejecting Gods means of salvation that he provided in Jesus Christ and this will make it impossible for a person to trully know and worship their creator and their God. False religion will be gone soon and only the path that God has created in Jesus will stand. If we are not already on that path we just might miss out.

Bree "Worship is ONLY for God"! Jesus told Satan this when he was being tempted!
Matthew 4:9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

Matthew 2:11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
The three wise men worship Jesus!

Matthew 14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Jesus does NOT stop them from worshipping him! Jesus lets them WORSHIP HIM!

Matthew 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
Bree.. Jesus would be sinning if he is not not God; Jesus would be worse then Satan by accepting worship knowing "Worship is ONLY for God"!

Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.
Bree Jesus lets them worship him he does NOT stop the worship... Some doubt Jesus is God!

Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51 While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 9:37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”

Acts 10:25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.”
Bree.. The Church knows "Worship is only for God!" Peter corrects the error!
“‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only

 

[Trailblazer]

Bree "Worship is ONLY for God"! Jesus told Satan this when he was being tempted!
Matthew 4:9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

Indeed, Jesus was saying to worship only the Lord your God, not to worship Him (Jesus).

Matthew 2:11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
The three wise men worship Jesus!

Matthew 14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Jesus does NOT stop them from worshipping him! Jesus lets them WORSHIP HIM!

So what? that does not mean Jesus is God.

Matthew 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
Bree.. Jesus would be sinning if he is not not God; Jesus would be worse then Satan by accepting worship knowing "Worship is ONLY for God"!

That's right. "Worship is ONLY for God"! It is not for Jesus.
Jesus was sinless, He did not have to be God to be sinless.

Jesus claimed to reveal God, Whom He called Father, but Jesus differentiated Himself from God:

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself, even so gave he to the Son also to have life in himself:

John 8:40 But now ye seek to slay me, a man that have spoken to you [the] truth, that I heard of God; Abraham did not this thing.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Jesus said that God was greater than He was:

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Matthew 4:10 Jesus said to him, 'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.
Bree Jesus lets them worship him he does NOT stop the worship... Some doubt Jesus is God!

Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51 While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 9:37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”

So what if Jesus let them worship Him? Jesus never claimed to be God.

Acts 10:25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.”
Bree.. The Church knows "Worship is only for God!" Peter corrects the error!
“‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only

That's right, "Worship is only for God!" and that means it is not for Jesus.

The Jews knew that God was always God and there was only one God. God did not suddenly become the man Jesus.
I don't know if you even know how ridiculous the sounds.

 

[rational experiences]

An important controversy in Christianity is the interpretation of whether or not Jesus made exclusive claims where He envisaged no one could come to God except through Him, or whether a biblical theology should allow for the validity of other religions. An important verse used by Christian exclusivists to justify their theology is John 14:6 where Jesus speaks to His Disciples:

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

What is the best way to understand John 14:6 and why?

Father the first father of all humans owned and lived as the same DNA human for all men first. You inherited changed DNA secondly.

So lived life recorded is communal his image and voice. Is in heavens.

Psychic vision reckoned. Psychic advice proven. Machines using transmitted recorded human image voice via heavens is another proof.

He is heard.

However he died and it is just a life recording.

Brother did satanism occult womb space thesis cosmos. Died early age death. Learnt.

What came from cosmos says it all.

Sun UFO mass radiation to cause gases to burn is the string theory for heavenly light. Bow shock.

Asteroid star wandering saviour gas released was by a slow burning slow passing asteroids.

Known.

Life was lost before burnt irradiated by asteroid stone when it was set alight released burning hot gas instead. Huge chunks broke off and hit earth.

Saviour advice Moses ark life attack temple science. Recorded father of science life death.

Asteroid stone cooled in space travel. Returned putting evolved cooled gases back.

Life DNA healed by ice saviour and star saviour newly released status. Cooling. Reasoned by men.

Science discussions.

Father not the scientist human brothers are.

Never heard heavens voice speaking aloud.

As men own self natural speaking voice answering questions. Giving self answers by natural self man voice.

When you O circuit burn earths atmosphere by science satanic pretend God is by transmitted constants. The life begins to die sacrificed. Head psyche what John meant is notified warned first.

It is prophetic psyche visionary warnings.

Natural cold evolved heavens begin in small bodied to burn fall out. Not a mass ground attack. Single victims.

New records of life sacrificed and new image voices begin to share data. Father's voice is then heard speaking. Warning you. Warns the man baby to adult life you will be life sacrificed.

Whilst you die the earth has to save itself first. The first God the only god. Reseal the stone opening as sin holes. So it will flood until heavens stone now burning gases cool again.

Flooding keeps life safe and saves human life from satanic human chosen self combustion.

You are advised why you attacked your own human life. And are advised how flat plane non God O theories the space plane are trying to collide an asteroid to send earth God into the non stop space infinite direct line channel.

The bow shock stretch womb evil Satan womb pit. Direct line channel. As the sun moves down in space by circuit God cooling.

And calls it a collision. As it is first advice rationally.

Reason. In the war of the gods O planets in our United verse universe the gods did fall that way. Those planets fell into the pit asteroid collided.

What being warned meant as a prophecy because maths is human calculated not by God but via a line of age. Maths to hew the heavens cut the heavens by direct line trajectories.

As the huge saviour broke up.

Hence wandering stars can also destroy life on earth as a saviour can be Satan or Christ terms when it returns. By 1 and three 000=1000

 

[Bree]

Jesus never said that God could only have one spokesperson, that is simply a Christian belief.
Jesus was the mediator between God and man (1Timothy 2:5) but that only applied to a given period of time, not to all of time.

Didn't it ever occur to you that an omnipotent God can send a spokesperson whenever He wants to send one, and that God might have sent another spokesman after He sent Jesus? How much sense does it make that there are almost as many Muslims as Christians in the world who believe that Muhammad is God's spokesperson? What kind of God would allow that many people to be wrong about Him?

But if Baha'ullah is God's spokesperson for this new age then you are rejecting the salvation He offered and that will make it truly impossible for you to know what was offered by God in this new age. God wants everybody to be saved, not just Christians.

“Wert thou to consider, for but a little while, the outward works and doings of Him Who is the Eternal Truth, thou wouldst fall down upon the ground, and exclaim: O Thou Who art the Lord of Lords! I testify that Thou art the Lord of all creation, and the Educator of all beings, visible and invisible. I bear witness that Thy power hath encompassed the entire universe, and that the hosts of the earth can never dismay Thee, nor can the dominion of all peoples and nations deter Thee from executing Thy purpose. I confess that Thou hast no desire except the regeneration of the whole world, and the establishment of the unity of its peoples, and the salvation of all them that dwell therein.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 243

You are free to hold that exclusivist belief that Christianity is the only true religion if you want to, even though it makes absolutely no logical sense that all the other religions in the world are false. You believe in something that you 'believe' will happen in the future and that is your hope, but it is not a fact unless it actually happens, it is just a belief and it is a belief that is not even supported by the Bible. Of course you can cherry-pick a few verses and interpret them to mean what you want them to mean in order to support your beliefs, but your beliefs can easily be refuted by different interpretations of those verses and the remainder of what is in the Bible.

thanks for taking the time to reply and i appreciate that the idea of there being only 1 true religion is hard to accept.

But if you think about it, all these different religions teach opposiing ideas about God. God cannot be everything that each religion says he is.

Either he can or he cant, he will or he wont, he did or he didnt.... all opposing views cannot be accurate.

 

[Bree]

What about all the people before Jesus? They then had nowhere to turn? They couldn't truly know and worship God?

Why not more than one today? Do you really know that is the way He chooses?

My observation also is that those in one region of the world tend to form a majority to a given religion. Are those in the European and Americas regions of the world favored by God or is he the God of all mankind impartially?

the teaching of Jesus is that all those who had died prior to his arrival will be given a second chance at life. They will be resurrected and taught about Jehovah and then they will make their decision.
Not only will people prior to his arrival be resurrected, but so will the millions of people from the first century onward be given that same opportunity at life. The world is coming back and truth will be known.

I absolutely believe that Christ is the only way to get to know the creator Jehovah. It was it proven by the fact that Christ was raised from the dead. The resurrection of Christ is the proof that we need to know that Jesus is the 'way the truth and the life'

apart from him there is no salvation.

 

[Truthseeker]

the teaching of Jesus is that all those who had died prior to his arrival will be given a second chance at life. They will be resurrected and taught about Jehovah and then they will make their decision.
Not only will people prior to his arrival be resurrected, but so will the millions of people from the first century onward be given that same opportunity at life. The world is coming back and truth will be known.

I absolutely believe that Christ is the only way to get to know the creator Jehovah. It was it proven by the fact that Christ was raised from the dead. The resurrection of Christ is the proof that we need to know that Jesus is the 'way the truth and the life'

apart from him there is no salvation.

Will all those who heard about Christ in other parts of the world be given a second chance? It seems to me they were not given as fair a chance as those who happened to be born to born to Christians, for instance, and were conditioned by their parents and culture to accept Christ almost automatically without thinking the issues through. Those in India tended to reject Christ because of their conditioning by their parents and culture. Is this fair?

 

[Bree]

Bree "Worship is ONLY for God"! Jesus told Satan this when he was being tempted!
Matthew 4:9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

Matthew 2:11 And going into the house, they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts, gold and frankincense and myrrh.
The three wise men worship Jesus!

Matthew 14:33 And those in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.”
Jesus does NOT stop them from worshipping him! Jesus lets them WORSHIP HIM!

Matthew 28:9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
Bree.. Jesus would be sinning if he is not not God; Jesus would be worse then Satan by accepting worship knowing "Worship is ONLY for God"!

Matthew 28:17 And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted.
Bree Jesus lets them worship him he does NOT stop the worship... Some doubt Jesus is God!

Luke 24:50 And he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51 While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52 And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

John 9:37 Jesus said to him, “You have seen him, and it is he who is speaking to you.” 38 He said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. 39 Jesus said, “For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind.”

Acts 10:25 When Peter entered, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I too am a man.”
Bree.. The Church knows "Worship is only for God!" Peter corrects the error!
“‘You shall worship the Lord your God and him only

I would just like to say that the king james version, written in old english, incorrectly uses the word 'worship'

Take note of Mattew 18:26 where the servant of the master is said to 'worship' him in the KJV bible. Do you really think the context is accurately reflecting a person worshiping someone they believe is a God?

Another example in Matt 2:2
Did the '3 wise men' come to 'worship' a human baby whom they thought would be the future king? No of course not. They knew he was a human baby, not a God.

So the KJV is not a great bible version when it comes to its translation of the scriptures. Back in the middle ages they were not as well educated on the ancient languages of the greek as they are now.




Jesus was not accepting 'worship' ... his disciples were doing the respectable thing of bowing to someone great. People still do this today. Its not worship.