And He Shall Be Called a Nazarene

[Fool]

what would he be called in Greek?


there was no such concept in biblical Hebrew

as I showed, this is not part of the biblical Hebrew meaning of the term


so they chose to change the spelling so that the place and word reflect different roots? ingenious!

greek and aramaic was the preferred language in 1st century palestine, not hebrew. hebrew was little of no importance to no one but rabbis and scholars. so your language is really of no importance in relevance to 1st century anywhere


your language isn't important to no one but you

 

[Harel13]

hebrew wasn't being spoken in 1st century palestine. greek and aramaic were the preferred and spoken languages.

Many of the town names were still in Hebrew. However, so be it.

So the Aramaic should be נזרת rather than נצרת? If so, then there's zero evidence of such a place. A small village was discovered with an inscription bearing the word נצרת, but as far as I know, nothing called נזרת.

 

[Fool]

Many of the town names were still in Hebrew. However, so be it.

So the Aramaic should be נזרת rather than נצרת? If so, then there's zero evidence of such a place. A small village was discovered with an inscription bearing the word נצרת, but as far as I know, nothing called נזרת.

doesn't matter. palestine had been invaded. just as your ancestors invaded parts of it and changed names.

like i told your fellow, the language isn't important except to you. 1st century jews living in israel were probably speaking aramaic and/or greek. they could give a whit what you thought they should be called


furthermore the essenes didn't keep worldly records like the typical jewish people. kind of like the amish of today. again you're trying to use typical modern and popular standards against an ancient group that doesn't fit either mold

 

[Harel13]

doesn't matter. palestine had been invaded. just as your ancestors invaded parts of it and changed names.

like i told your fellow, the language isn't important except to you. 1st century jews living in israel were probably speaking aramaic and/or greek. they could give a whit what you thought they should be called


furthermore the essenes didn't keep worldly records like the typical jewish people. kind of like the amish of today. again you're trying to use typical modern and popular standards against an ancient group that doesn't fit either mold

That's not really an answer. What would the town have been called in Hebrew or Judeo-Aramaic, per your view? And do you therefore state that the town of נצרת is not the one referred to in the NT?

 

[Fool]

That's not really an answer. What would the town have been called in Hebrew or Judeo-Aramaic, per your view? And do you therefore state that the town of נצרת is not the one referred to in the NT?

the nt isn't written in aramaic.

its written in greek.


the point is hebrew is a newly concocted and evolved language. that you're obviously passionate about. Unfortunately that isn't relevant to 1st century palestine

 

[Harel13]

the nt isn't written in aramaic.

its written in greek.

Still doesn't answer the question. What did the Jews of the town call it?

 

[Harel13]

the point is hebrew is a newly concocted and evolved language. that you're obviously passionate about. Unfortunately that isn't relevant to 1st century palestine

Also, check history. Pretty sure the area was called Judea at the time.

 

[Fool]

Still doesn't answer the question. What did the Jews of the town call it?

1st century jews would have used a greek word to describe it

acts 24:5

 

[Harel13]

1st century jews would have used a greek word to describe it

acts 24:5

And why not Aramaic?

 

[Fool]

Also, check history. Pretty sure the area was called Judea at the time.

depends on who's in charge. you can call it what ever you wish doesn't matter to me. I'll switch to judea if that makes you happy but it won't change the fact that more than once its been ruled by different groups of peoples and under different names.

 

[Fool]

And why not Aramaic?

because the romans preferred greek maybe? or maybe there were more hellenistic jews?


doesn't really matter, we know they were written in greek.

 

[Harel13]

depends on who's in charge. you can call it what ever you wish doesn't matter to me. I'll switch to judea if that makes you happy but it won't change the fact that more than once its been ruled by different groups of peoples

Thought you were about historical accuracy.

because the romans preferred greek maybe?

The Romans founded the town?

 

[Harel13]

@Fool care to share why you thought the post was funny?

 

[Fool]

Thought you were about historical accuracy.

i didn't say that but that is a good perspective to have. but i'm definitely not in favor of using the preferred judeo-christian name just to whitewash the fact that someone else was in charge

The Romans founded the town?

i never said that. i stated the land was invaded and with each invasion the winner gets to choose the language and rules

 

[Harel13]

but i'm definitely not in favor of using the preferred to use the judeo-christian name just to whitewash the fact that someone else was in charge

Judea (Roman province) - Wikipedia
As long as the Jews knew who was in charge, the Romans had no problem calling the place Judea. After the Bar Kochva Revolt, which was a revolt too far in the Romans' view, they changed the name to Syria Palestina.
Syria Palaestina - Wikipedia

So really, I have no idea what you're talking about. It seems to me that perhaps you're the one who's trying to whitewash stuff.

 

[Harel13]

because it was amusing. you're disconcerted, frustrated, petulant

If you could see my face, you'd see me bored with tired eyes.

 

[Fool]

If you could see my face, you'd see me bored with tired eyes.

i never asked what you were, are.

its irrelevant to the topic

 

[Harel13]

i never asked what you were, are.

No, instead you made assumptions.

 

[Fool]

No, instead you made assumptions.

no i found it funny that you chose to focus on the name of an area popular to jews and christians.

people have biases to words. i find that amusing. there are hundreds of languages but we must call it exactly this. window dressing isn't more important than the thing itself.


so if you insist we call it judea will call it judea but really it was called myriad things in other languages. we all know its a geographical spot on the earth.

unfortunately some people insist the word is more important than the idea.


case in point some people insist a nazarene is not the same things mentioned in numbers 6:2

they want a word describing something in their language to have an exact spelling in another language, unfortunately it doesn't work that way for other languages and in linguistics

there called deverbal nouns for a reason

 

[rosends]

greek and aramaic was the preferred language in 1st century palestine, not hebrew. hebrew was little of no importance to no one but rabbis and scholars. so your language is really of no importance in relevance to 1st century anywhere


your language isn't important to no one but you

So then there is no way to connect the gospel words to the biblical words since the language isn't important. Thank you for confirming that.