Is God pro-abortion?

[ElishaElijah]

I will honestly say that my point is, you contradicted yourself.

Don’t see it, what do you think I was communicating?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Never mind, you already proved it. That you're wrong.

Wrong how? Are you pro-life or pro-abortion ?

 

[ElishaElijah]

Of course you are contradicting yourself. You are making the mistake of translating Numbers 5 than you do other parts of the Bible. The fact that a specific Hebrew word is not there does not matter. Jesus said "I am the door". By your reasoning that means he is tall, broad, not deep at all and made of wood.

What Hebrew word are you translating for the word miscarriage NIV (which apparently you can’t use the word abortion now) in Numbers 5?

 

[night912]

Don’t see it, what do you think I was communicating?

Open both of your eyes and not just one, that way you can see that one half of you disagree with the other half.

Elisha (one half of ElishaElijah) said this....

God does not condone induced abortion for any reason at all,

So God doesn't condone induced abortion for any reason at all? Are you sure about that? Because..........


Elijah (the other half of ElishaElijah) said this.....

it’s

only in certain rare instances.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nice try

It is what you are literally demanding.

 

[night912]

Wrong how? Are you pro-life or pro-abortion ?

You admit that God allows abortion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry life starts at conception according to science and the Bible

You are conflating two different issues.

So try again.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What Hebrew word are you translating for the word miscarriage NIV (which apparently you can’t use the word abortion now) in Numbers 5?

There is no single word. It is the phrases that are used. And I am not playing the "Hebrew word" game. The translations are clear enough I offered to go over them with you so that you could understand them. I even offered to go by the interpretation of your choice. You ran away because breaking down the passage would show you to be wrong even with your chosen source.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Open both of your eyes and not just one, that way you can see that one half of you disagree with the other half.

Elisha (one half of ElishaElijah) said this....

So God doesn't condone induced abortion for any reason at all? Are you sure about that? Because..........


Elijah (the other half of ElishaElijah) said this.....

Ok so God doesn’t condone abortion the same way abortions are performed today, is another way of saying what I meant and what I’ve continuously have said. I can see what you’re saying though. It could be read 2 different ways.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok so God doesn’t condone abortion the same way abortions are performed today, is another way of saying what I meant and what I’ve continuously have said. I can see what you’re saying though. It could be read 2 different ways.

Nit picking. The dirt of the temple floor is not that much different from a chemical abortion. God also did not mind, during the days of an eye for an eye, if a woman lost her fetus when two men were struggling. I did show how the modern translation of that was changed and it was due to an error in the Septuagint. Oh my, sometimes relying on the Hebrew shows that you are wrong.

 

[ElishaElijah]

There is no single word. It is the phrases that are used. And I am not playing the "Hebrew word" game. The translations are clear enough I offered to go over them with you so that you could understand them. I even offered to go by the interpretation of your choice. You ran away because breaking down the passage would show you to be wrong even with your chosen source.

What’s the particular Hebrew phrase your using? You’re example for Jesus saying He is the thura means door gate so yeah pretty clear what He meant.

 

[McBell]

I have yet to hear a pregnant mother say my fetus is a boy or girl, I felt the fetus move, whenever we went to the doctor they never said your fetus, they always said your baby.

thank you for further demonstrating my point.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Nit picking. The dirt of the temple floor is not that much different from a chemical abortion. God also did not mind, during the days of an eye for an eye, if a woman lost her fetus when two men were struggling. I did show how the modern translation of that was changed and it was due to an error in the Septuagint. Oh my, sometimes relying on the Hebrew shows that you are wrong.

Already agree that dirt and water can be considered chemical and I was looking at it like the abortion pill which is totally different. The other point that you already agreed with is the unfaithful wife may not have been pregnant at all so nothing would happen if she drank the water and dirt. But if the woman wasn’t pregnant her stomach swelled and thigh rotted. In the context, Numbers 5 isn’t a good text to use for abortion, it’s a curse.

 

[ElishaElijah]

thank you for further demonstrating my point.

Whatever that point was

 

[McBell]

How was it an appeal to emotion, to who, lol?

You, for starters.

It’s reality and our society wants to dehumanize innocent life in the womb and not see them as they are: Heart beat, nerves, arms, legs, feet, hands, fingers, toes, can determine sex.

and here you further demonstrate the appeal to emotion tactic you fell for from the title...

You treat them like tissue and discarded. That’s what’s BS and disgusting.

Actually, you are flat out wrong with this.
In fact, it is YOU and your ilk who want the aborted fetal tissue thrown away like yesterdays garbage.
As if saying some self serving words over the fetal remains before flushing them down the toilet does anything other than make you feel like you did something other than ease your own conscience.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What’s the particular Hebrew phrase your using? You’re example for Jesus saying He is the thura means door gate so yeah pretty clear what He meant.

For the "I am the door" how about John 10 9:

John 10:9 Greek Text Analysis

The word used there is the same as "door", not gate. It is the same word used in Matt 25 10 "the door was shut".


My point is that you put too much weight on Hebrew words and not on the context. Yet, the context is clear in that verse. Guess what, the context is clear in Numbers 5 as well.

 

[McBell]

God does condone a miscarriage in certain situations, ...?

God does not condone induced abortion for any reason at all, ...

You really need to work on your semantics arguing skills.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Already agree that dirt and water can be considered chemical and I was looking at it like the abortion pill which is totally different. The other point that you already agreed with is the unfaithful wife may not have been pregnant at all so nothing would happen if she drank the water and dirt. But if the woman wasn’t pregnant her stomach swelled and thigh rotted. In the context, Numbers 5 isn’t a good text to use for abortion, it’s a curse.

But the context is clear that she almost certainly was for the test. Once again, is Jesus a tall broad and shallow object made of wood that swings on hinges? Don't rely on words, rely on context.

And so what if it calls it a "curse"? To the woman it was. Are you saying that God can only do evil works? You might have a point. The woman clearly did not want an abortion. To a woman forced to undergo an abortion it would be a curse. I love how you have to focus on the wrong parts of your losing argument.

 

[McBell]

God does not condone induced abortion for any reason at all, it’s only in certain rare instances. 800,000 per year we have in the US is not something God condones. Life starts at conception according to Scripture.

is for no reason at all or is it only in certain rare occasions?
You flat out contradict yourself here.

 

[ElishaElijah]

You admit that God allows abortion.

Yes, sometimes, in certain situations.