I believe gender nonconformity can influence someone's identity in being masculine or feminine because I remember someone saying they dont like being female and another person asked if they were lesbian. I heard a story of someone who said they think one of their relatives is lesbian because of the relationship with the father influencing femininity.
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I believe gender nonconformity can influence someone's identity in being masculine or feminine because I remember someone saying they dont like being female and another person asked if they were lesbian. I heard a story of someone who said they think one of their relatives is lesbian because of the relationship with the father influencing femininity.
Shadow Wolf
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If one is gender nonconforming that does mean they aren't masculine or feminine and don't particularly identify as either.
Amd parental influence doesn't make someone gender nonconforming, trans, gay, bi, or anything like that. But people believe tons of things about women that regard he relationship with her father - such as that hideous phrase "she has daddy issues." But it's just not going on, amd we know of examples where attempting to exert such an influence has ended in disaster.
I believe that gender nonconformity plays a role in people being attracted to the same gender, for both men and women. Terms like lesbian and gay don't just refer to romantic relationships to the same gender. For example, people who say they were different since childhood, that isn't a reference to romantic attraction, because they were too young to have experienced it It's a reference to gender nonconformity, which a relationship is related to, but it's part of a different way of thinking.
Shadow Wolf
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Nah. There are many very masculine gay guys and some very feminine lesbians. In psychology we also treat gender identity and expression as a separate issue from sexual orientation.
Even masculine gays and feminine lesbians have a certain gender identity and expression that is not transgender, but it's different, in the sense of mannerisms of the opposite gender. That's different from someone having a different gender identity (ie, a boy in girl's body or vice versa). Sexual orientation is related to something similar to a different gender identity and expression.
gender identification and gender dysphoria are different.
Shadow Wolf
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I am very well aware of this.
Shadow Wolf
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But these things have not been found to be due to parenting.
This man's life is a very hard and damning story for the claims of parenting and influence.
David Reimer - Wikipedia
i believe that homosexuality is about gender identification and not just romantic relationships.
Shadow Wolf
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That is incorrect. Transgender people are themselves a mixture of being hetero/homo/bi.
And most homosexuals themselves do not have gender dysphoria. Just the ones who do have it.
Gender nonconformity is different from gender dysphoria. Someone can be androgynous and not wish they were in a different body.
Shadow Wolf
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I know.
This still has nothing to do with parenting.
I believe that the four communities are classified as one, because gender nonconformity exists in all.
There are different degrees of non traditional gender roles. Some boys had long curly hair when they were younger. That is a certain degree of androgynous, not gender nonconforming or dysphoric.
Shadow Wolf
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We're all classified as one because we basically always have been lumped in the same group in modern times.
The point was parenting. It's redundant and pointless to define things to me and point things out. It's a subject I know very well, on many levels.
Parenting style has not had any real effect on influencing or making kids grow up to be gay, bi, trans, or whatever. It appears there may be a slight correlation, but it's most likely these kids are coming out early because they are in an environment they know is safe.
Why are those in the same groups? I believe it's because gender nonconformity exists in all of those groups.
Shadow Wolf
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Even some heterosexuals could said to be gender nonconforming even if they don't identify as trans or gay or whatever.
Someone having very long or short hair is not necessarily gender nonconforming. The Vikings didn't look gender nonconforming. I've met women with very short hair who don't look gender nonconforming.
Shadow Wolf
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I don't get your point. You started claiming this had to do with parenting, which I called out, and now you're trying to explain to me things I know very well. Likely better than you do. Such as, we must consider things within the cultural context. The Norse would be considered to be gender benders by our standards, as men braided their hair and beards and wore beads, and they even used eye liner. But it was the norm for them, and not really gender bending.
Gender bending doesn't necessarily have to be something that draws attention to oneself.