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Why Didn't God Leave Huge Quantities of Secular Evidence For Jesus?

Pilgrim Soldier

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
Subduction Zone said:
How convenient. Then you know nothing about supposed martyrs by your own claim.

And no, Jesus does not need to have been a liar. Your logic is off. Jesus did not write the gospels. In fact none of them were written by eyewitnesses. Do you remember C.S. Lewis's Liar, Loon, or Lord? He forgot the most likely "L" The Jesus stories appear to be mostly Legend.
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I believe the Bible is the perfect inerrant Word of God, from cover to cover. So we're poles apart in our world view. You obviously don't believe that God revealed Himself and His will and His commandments to us, through His inspired Word in the Holy Scriptures.

I have no idea what you believe in, if anything so I don't know what I could possibly say to make you see the light.
 
Pilgrim Soldier

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
Subduction Zone said:
Then God is a liar. Are you sure that you want to claim that? For example we know that there was no Flood of Noah. The Bible does not say that God wrote it. You are misinterpreting a verse and I know which one it is.
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No misrepresentation here, God did write the whole bible from cover to cover. You seem to forget that Gods children are His instruments, He kills entire ethnic groups through His instruments. He speaks to His instruments and they write every word down.

Why would that pose a problem for you, God is almighty and that means He can do anything including using His instruments to do His will.
 
Pilgrim Soldier

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
SeekingAllTruth said:
I don't know where you get your info, Pilgrim but somebody has to bring you back to reality. I guess that will have to be me.

Pew Research estimates that 40 million people are expected to convert to Christianity between 2010 and 2050, and 106 million people are expected to leave Christianity during that period (resulting in a net loss of 66 million).

Christian population growth - Wikipedia

In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

No doubt you'll find some cockamamie way to rationalize this fact in your mind as well. But there it is in black and white: Christianity is going extinct. Fine job your god is doing of maintaining his church that Jesus supposedly set up. I told you, the real God is a deist God. He doesn't give a damn whether we believe in Jesus or not. That's why He didn't bother to leave behind any proof for Jesus. Proof positive right there in black and white.
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The US is not the only country in the world, there are many others out there. I know it may be hard to believe, but the US is sinking faster than the Titanic. It will join that long list of failed empires, who are quickly forgotten by history.
While the numbers may be declining in the US, they are exploding in Africa and Asia. China has 120 million recent converts alone, let alone the rest of the world.
God is punishing America and it is guaranteed to became a third world basket case in a few short years.

Anyone can claim anything on wikipedia, that's why most intelligent people never refer to it for any information.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pilgrim Soldier said:
I believe the Bible is the perfect inerrant Word of God, from cover to cover. So we're poles apart in our world view. You obviously don't believe that God revealed Himself and His will and His commandments to us, through His inspired Word in the Holy Scriptures.

I have no idea what you believe in, if anything so I don't know what I could possibly say to make you see the light.
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That is because you do not understand the Bible, and you believe in a lying God as well, though you do not realize it.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pilgrim Soldier said:
No misrepresentation here, God did write the whole bible from cover to cover. You seem to forget that Gods children are His instruments, He kills entire ethnic groups through His instruments. He speaks to His instruments and they write every word down.

Why would that pose a problem for you, God is almighty and that means He can do anything including using His instruments to do His will.
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You can't even find the verse that you apparently do not understand. Why do you believe that God is incompetent? And why would you worship God? Your version of god is clearly not worthy of respect, much less of worship.
 
Pilgrim Soldier

Pilgrim Soldier

Active Member
Subduction Zone said:
But you don't know the truth. You keep demonstrating that.
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Do you have the monopoly on truth, are you the arbitrator on truth. I can't remember the movie, but a guy jelled at the top of his voice "you can't handle the truth", I'm not suggesting that you can't handle it, I just felt the need to vent a bit of steam that's all.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Pilgrim Soldier said:
Do you have the monopoly on truth, are you the arbitrator on truth. I can't remember the movie, but a guy jelled at the top of his voice "you can't handle the truth", I'm not suggesting that you can't handle it, I just felt the need to vent a bit of steam that's all.
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I don't have a monopoly on truth, but one is not needed to see your errors. And please, the truth is too much for you, not me.
 
SeekingAllTruth

SeekingAllTruth

Well-Known Member
Pilgrim Soldier said:
The US is not the only country in the world, there are many others out there. I know it may be hard to believe, but the US is sinking faster than the Titanic. It will join that long list of failed empires, who are quickly forgotten by history.
While the numbers may be declining in the US, they are exploding in Africa and Asia. China has 120 million recent converts alone, let alone the rest of the world.
God is punishing America and it is guaranteed to became a third world basket case in a few short years.

Anyone can claim anything on wikipedia, that's why most intelligent people never refer to it for any information.
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You forget about Europe which is dropping Christianity in greater numbers than America. So Jesus is making a very human decision. He's saying, "To hell with 1st world countries where they're well educated and have widespread Internet which exposes me as a phony. I'm going over to 3rd world countries where they have no education, no Internet and are as dumb as posts. They'll fall for my spiel much more easily." --Jesus to his father.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Subduction Zone said:
Then who built those tings for him? Sorry, but you are making a special pleading fallacy here. Just because a god does it does not mean that it is not magic.
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I believe you are mistaking mysticism for Magic. They are not the same thing. It isn't magic simply because you can't see it being done or how it is done.
 
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