What is hell?

[Trailblazer]

The evil spirits (or souls) will go to hell, but the good spirits will rejoin God.

That might be true, but I believe they will go by choice, not because Satan kept them there.

 

[cataway]

You believe your religious beliefs are true, just like most believers, but I do not share your beliefs, I believe my beliefs are true. Can you prove your beliefs are true? If not they are just beliefs, not facts.

to then to be accused of proselytizing ? myself, i like talking about things in scripture .you , what , do you want to speak of religion . would that be proselytizing ?


if the most high God wanted you in his kingdom arrangement you would be invited . you have been invited but you begged off .not only begged off but telling others not to get involved .matthew 22 1-''14''

 

[Spirit of Light]

to then to be accused of proselytizing ? myself, i like talking about things in scripture .you , what , do you want to speak of religion . would that be proselytizing ?


if the most high God wanted you in his kingdom arrangement you would be invited . you have been invited but you begged off .not only begged off but telling others not to get involved .matthew 22 1-''14''

What is your view of a muslim like my self?

 

[Muffled]

I checked a bit in the teachings and this is what i found

Hell, in the words of the Qur’an, is ‘God’s kindled fire which rises above the hearts’ (Al-Humazah 104:6-7). In other words, this ‘fire’ originates in a person’s inner consciousness. This clearly alludes to the spiritual nature of the ‘fire’ in a person’s belated realization of wrongdoing. It is a painful realization of one’s failure as a person that arises within one’s own consciousness, not imposed by an external agency.

According to the teachings of the Qur’an, the re-emergence of the soul brings it a ‘sharp sight’ (Qaf 50:22).

There is no such thing as eternal damnation in Islam. The word ‘eternity’ used in certain verses in the Qur’an relating to Hell, is explained by the Qur’an itself to mean only a period of time (An-Naba 78:23).
Salvation, Heaven, and Hell: The Qur’anic Viewpoint

I believe that has the appearance of a mistranslation. What are the literal words and their alternative meanings?

 

[Muffled]

There is little about hell in the bible, in fact i don't think it mentions it by name at all. I can't speak for the Qur'an.

The modern christian notion of hell comes from Dante Alighieri, Inferno and the works of Hieronymus Bosch.

It's good to know that when i am threatened with an eternity in hell for being atheist, am being threatened with wonderful art and comedy.

I believe it must be comforting to look at things and see them the way you wish to see them.

 

[Estro Felino]

Hell doesn't exist...
I mean ...Dante's Inferno is just Literature...

I think that the Afterlife is pretty well explained by Oprah Winfrey and Rosemary Altea in this video.

 

[ChristineM]

I believe it must be comforting to look at things and see them the way you wish to see them.

More comforting when the evidence is with you

 

[Muffled]

Being trapped in a room with an evangelical science denier.

I have a sister-in-law who can talk for hours about nothing. I believe you ight find the esd person more intellectually stimulating.

 

[Muffled]

Hell doesn't exist...
I mean ...Dante's Inferno is just Literature...

I think that the Afterlife is pretty well explained by Oprah Winfrey and Rosemary Altea in this video.

I believe the evidence is that Hell exists but not the way Dante pictures it.

 

[Muffled]

Long story short: a bad translation of two words in the bible.
Hell means "grave". It's the place where people are buried. Nothing to do with eternal punishment or fire.

I believe that is only a partial truth. There is the lake of fire which is what we mean when we refer to Hell.

 

[cataway]

I believe that is only a partial truth. There is the lake of fire which is what we mean when we refer to Hell.

no

 

[Spirit of Light]

I believe that has the appearance of a mistranslation. What are the literal words and their alternative meanings?

That might be a mistranslation from arabic, i do not speak or read arabic.
The link is from sufi teaching

 

[Trailblazer]

if the most high God wanted you in his kingdom arrangement you would be invited . you have been invited but you begged off .not only begged off but telling others not to get involved .matthew 22 1-''14''

How do you know that I begged off?
I never told others not to get involved.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What does your religion or spiritual teaching say about Hell?
What is you own understanding of what Hell might be?

My understanding is that there is a BIG difference in the teaching of a religious-myth hell of burning, and the Bible's hell of: sleep in the grave.
Many fake 'weed/tares' Christians teach a non-biblical hell as it that is the Bible's hell.
The Bible's hell is Not Hot because the Bible's hell is simply mankind's temporary stone-cold grave for the sleeping dead til Resurrection Day.
( Resurrection Day meaning Jesus' coming Millennium-Long Day of governing over Earth for a thousand years - Acts of the Apostles 24:15 )
Jesus taught the dead sleep at John 11:11-14 which the OT also teaches: Psalms 115:17; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5

When the old King James translated into English the word Gehenna as hell fire that put flames in the grave.
Gehenna was just a garbage pit outside of Jerusalem where things were: destroyed.
So, Gehenna is a fitting word for: destruction.
Destruction which is in harmony with Scripture that the wicked will be (Not burned) but destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Psalms 104:35; Proverbs 2:21-22
We can ' repent ' if we don't want to ' perish' (<- meaning be destroyed ) - 2 Peter 3:9

 

[Trailblazer]

perhaps you dont know . you are of the antichrist . your ideals misrepresent the Christ and his kingdom . its not just your religious beliefs its also much of Christendom that mispresent what a Christion is and what God's kingdom is.

Christ has no kingdom on earth, and He never will. THAT is the misrepresentation of Christendom.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

 

[halbhh]

Do you know what the untranslated word is and it's meaning,

Sure, as some of us will have read using multiple translations, such as online. -- hell. γεέννῃ (geennē)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 1067: Of Hebrew origin; valley of Hinnom; ge-henna, a valley of Jerusalem, used as a name for the place of everlasting punishment.

That at times in the past people didn't know all mysteries (and of course we still don't know all) should not be mysterious though.

 

[ChristineM]

Sure, as some of us will have read using multiple translations, such as online. -- hell. γεέννῃ (geennē)
Noun - Dative Feminine Singular
Strong's Greek 1067: Of Hebrew origin; valley of Hinnom; ge-henna, a valley of Jerusalem, used as a name for the place of everlasting punishment.

That at times in the past people didn't know all mysteries (and of course we still don't know all) should not be mysterious though.

So a valley that symbolised hell, not as depicted after the 14th century, not the sort of place i am regularly threatened with for not following religion. Thanks

 

[halbhh]

So a valley that symbolised hell, not as depicted after the 14th century, not the sort of place i am regularly threatened with for not following religion. Thanks

As far as I understand from reading fully through the collection, the common bible, more than once, that outcome some try to 'threaten' you with is actually according to the text to "perish" in the "second death" where God will "destroy body and soul", and these definitely in the text don't seem as if only metaphor.

In other words, it is in that key outcome way just like what atheist think death is.

Same thing. Pretty much. Or at least in the end, the final outcome.

But it does also say those going to that end would weep and gnash their teeth, seemingly in very intense regret for what they turned down.

 

[ChristineM]

As far as I understand from reading fully through the collection, the common bible, more than once, that outcome some try to 'threaten' you with is actually according to the text to "perish" in the "second death" where God will "destroy body and soul", and these definitely in the text don't seem as if only metaphor.

In other words, it is in that key outcome way just like what atheist think death is.

Same thing. Pretty much. Or at least in the end, the final outcome.

But it does also say those going to that end would weep and gnash their teeth, seemingly in very intense regret for what they turned down.

Not really what atheists (at least those I know) think. Most don't even consider hell except then it's forced on them to do so, like this thread for example. To take that further, death is the end of consciousness. So what's to consider?

Yes the bible does have some descriptive verses, not particularly scary. I've faced worse than the bibles descriptions on several occasions. But add to them the comedy and art of the 13th/14th century and an image of a terrible place is formed. This image is how many christians see hell.

 

[halbhh]

Not really what atheists (at least those I know) think. Most don't even consider hell except then it's forced on them to do so, like this thread for example. To take that further, death is the end of consciousness. So what's to consider?

Yes the bible does have some descriptive verses, not particularly scary. I've faced worse than the bibles descriptions on several occasions. But add to them the comedy and art of the 13th/14th century and an image of a terrible place is formed. This image is how many christians see hell.

I meant that for an atheist that thinks death is truly perishing, where the body is fully destroyed (in time, eventually) -- extinction of life and consciousness -- a final end.

In that, the atheist view of death is just like what the common bible describes, in final outcome, the end state.

The 2 ideas of the final outcome for that are identical.

But of course, Christians aim for/expect an other outcome: actual continuation.