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Losing Our Freedoms on the Road from 9/11 to COVID-19

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Summary: Since before 9/11, but accelerating rapidly since then, our government has been gutting the Bill of Rights. I largely agree with this article. My main quibble is that I don’t really believe in a conspiracy like “the deep state”. Instead I believe that like minded and similarly lawyered oligarchs have - working individually - driven this gutting of our civil liberties:

Mile Markers of Tyranny: Losing Our Freedoms on the Road from 9/11 to COVID-19 | By John W. Whitehead


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I looked up the guy. I’ll give him props to adhering to his principles without hypocrisy. Which I have observed with some alleged “free speech absolutists.”
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Summary: Since before 9/11, but accelerating rapidly since then, our government has been gutting the Bill of Rights. I largely agree with this article. My main quibble is that I don’t really believe in a conspiracy like “the deep state”. Instead I believe that like minded and similarly lawyered oligarchs have - working individually - driven this gutting of our civil liberties:

Mile Markers of Tyranny: Losing Our Freedoms on the Road from 9/11 to COVID-19 | By John W. Whitehead
we are an economically based society

don't let them put a chip in your hand
if you do....you're screwed

but then again.....you might be screwed anyway
and the choice won't be yours
 

vartaaha

New Member
sky is falling, sky is falling run run coronaa ( haha ) run all wise modern animals, indeed all are really sound wise.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Summary: Since before 9/11, but accelerating rapidly since then, our government has been gutting the Bill of Rights. I largely agree with this article. My main quibble is that I don’t really believe in a conspiracy like “the deep state”. Instead I believe that like minded and similarly lawyered oligarchs have - working individually - driven this gutting of our civil liberties:

Mile Markers of Tyranny: Losing Our Freedoms on the Road from 9/11 to COVID-19 | By John W. Whitehead

The Aristocrats, bankers and corporatists have been trying to claw their way back to power ever since the crash of '29 and FDR's "socialist" New Deal."

9/11 was a Klein moment, a shock enabling a slew of legislation to be enacted with little public awareness or discussion: The Homeland Security Department, The Patriot act, The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance act, &al. Big Brother had triumphed.

We do have a 'deep state', but it's not the deep state of Republican propaganda, it's more a deep, police-surveillance state.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Summary: Since before 9/11, but accelerating rapidly since then, our government has been gutting the Bill of Rights. I largely agree with this article. My main quibble is that I don’t really believe in a conspiracy like “the deep state”. Instead I believe that like minded and similarly lawyered oligarchs have - working individually - driven this gutting of our civil liberties:

Mile Markers of Tyranny: Losing Our Freedoms on the Road from 9/11 to COVID-19 | By John W. Whitehead
Thank you for sharing this article.

First quote in it says a lot. Whether you call it "Deep State" or "like minded and similarly lawyered oligarchs" is just semantics IMO
Most important is to recognize what "They" do, sad thing is, that they have the power, and will never give up. So "police state" probably follows

“No one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end.”—George Orwell

The "New Normal" proves, that they are not willing to give up the power that Corona conveniently handed them now
 
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