Charlie Hebdo to attack Muslims again

[viole]

My muslim girlfriend would never kill anyone

Cool. Then, where is the problem? She does not like people ridiculing the prophet? I am sure Allah can take care of Himself.

ciao

- viole

 

[Spirit of Light]

Cool. Then, where is the problem? She does not like people ridiculing the prophet? I am sure Allah can take care of Himself.

ciao

- viole

My girlfriend does not make critique of anyone, she mostly keep her belief to her self.

 

[FearGod]

I suggest an experiment.
Go to Saudi Arabia or alike and go stand on a public square telling bypassers that "Jesus is god, praise the lord!". See what happens. And what you're charged with.

Let the prophet answer your question

The Promise to St. Catherine: "This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

Quoted from
http://www.ptwf.org/images/pdf/peace/Prophet Muhammads Promise to Christians.pdf

 

[Spirit of Light]

Let the prophet reply your question

The Promise to St. Catherine: "This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

Quoted from
http://www.ptwf.org/images/pdf/peace/Prophet Muhammads Promise to Christians.pdf

1. Thank you @FearGod

 

[FearGod]

1. Thank you @FearGod

You're most welcome.

 

[ecco]

Blasphemy in Pakistan - Wikipedia

Between 1987 and 2017 at least 1,500 people were charged with blasphemy and at least 75 people involved in accusations of blasphemy were killed in Pakistan according to the Center for Social Justice.[6]

Many people accused of blasphemy have been murdered before their trials were over,[2][7] and prominent figures who opposed the blasphemy law have been assassinated.[1] Since 1990, 62 people have been murdered following blasphemy allegations.[8] According to one religious minority source, an accusation of blasphemy commonly exposes the accused, police, lawyers, and judges to harassment, threats, attacks and rioting.[9] Critics complain that Pakistan's blasphemy laws are "overwhelmingly being used to persecute religious minorities and settle personal vendettas,"[10] but calls for change in blasphemy laws have been strongly resisted by Islamic parties - most prominently the Barelvi school of Islam.[8]

I do not support death penalty at all. I support an Islam that is mild and good toward others.

But you said you support blasphemy laws. You said, "it was a shame they removed it".

I am for the blasphemy law yes, it was a shame they removed it.

Blasphemy laws are not representative of a country/religion "that is mild and good toward others".

Blasphemy laws are representative of a country/religion that is backward, brutal, repressive, and hostile.

 

[Spirit of Light]

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But you said you support blasphemy laws. You said, "it was a shame they removed it".

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Blasphemy laws are not representative of a country/religion "that is mild and good toward others".

Blasphemy laws are representative of a country/religion that is backward and repressive and hostile.

That is your opinion, that is ok to me. I see it differently then you

 

[DPMartin]

You made the claim in this thread, thus you can substantiate it in this thread.

are you the thread police? the subject of the thread can also be adhered to instead of your interests, isn't that correct?

 

[ecco]

That is your opinion, that is ok to me. I see it differently then you

It is not my opinion that you said you support blasphemy laws.
It is not my opinion that you said, "it was a shame they removed it".
It is not my opinion that blasphemy laws often carry the death penalty.

Those are facts. You can now try to deny them, but you are fooling no one.

 

[ecco]

My girlfriend does not make critique of anyone, she mostly keep her belief to her self.

Is that her choice or yours?

 

[oldbadger]

There is something of a difference between a civil war over freedom of what religion to chose and a civil over equality, in my opinion

You would be surprised on the freedoms being eroded in the UK

And when were you a boy? Was it a gendarme or CRS

I have quite recently seen UK policeman beating a Scottish drunk unconscious with his truncheon. Is that any less than your childhood memories?

That was in 1961.
What freedoms can you show that have been eroded in England/Wales?

 

[oldbadger]

But neither do I when there.
Could I carry a truncheon?

Yes.
There's loads of places here where you can carry a truncheon but the area has to be fenced off from access. You can carry guns as well.
We do have bad cops here and @ChristineM has surely seen one of them.

 

[oldbadger]

This might help you

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Those are very nasty weapons, if you know what to fill them with.

 

[ChristineM]

That was in 1961.
What freedoms can you show that have been eroded in England/Wales?

Things were different then although the police don't mess about when violence is involved

The conservatives have pledged to ditch the human rights act for starters

Your right to healthcare is being eroded as the nhs is being sold off.

Thats a good start

 

[ChristineM]

Yes.
There's loads of places here where you can carry a truncheon but the area has to be fenced off from access. You can carry guns as well.
We do have bad cops here and @ChristineM has surely seen one of them.

You can't have hand guns even in dedicated ranges. However rifles are ok. And can be carried off range so long as they are covered. Its tricky though

A friend, shooting champion, had a car accident. When the police arrived he did the right thing and advised he had 4 rifles in the boot. Reinforcements were immediately called including the local armed squad and a helicopter before he could explain he was going to s competition in Lancaster.

 

[Heyo]

I guess my only choice is to take my Girlfriend and go back to her home country then. Even we going to live a peaceful life we are no longer welcome in your beloved west?

Or you could make a list with reasons to live in the west and reasons to live in a Muslim country and decide then.
Maybe there is a western country that still has blasphemy laws but is otherwise nice to live in. But beware ...
There is a connection between liberty, prosperity, even multiculturalism and the abolishment of blasphemy laws. The blasphemy laws that were present were there to protect Christian sensibilities and wouldn't have worked for multiple cultures. That was one of the reasons they got ditched (and will be ditched were they are still on the book).
The absence of blasphemy laws is the reason your girlfriend can live a relatively secure and free life in the west.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Or you could make a list with reasons to live in the west and reasons to live in a Muslim country and decide then.
Maybe there is a western country that still has blasphemy laws but is otherwise nice to live in. But beware ...
There is a connection between liberty, prosperity, even multiculturalism and the abolishment of blasphemy laws. The blasphemy laws that were present were there to protect Christian sensibilities and wouldn't have worked for multiple cultures. That was one of the reasons they got ditched (and will be ditched were they are still on the book).
The absence of blasphemy laws is the reason your girlfriend can live a relatively secure and free life in the west.

I can live anywhere, country does not matter

 

[Spirit of Light]

It is not my opinion that you said you support blasphemy laws.
It is not my opinion that you said, "it was a shame they removed it".
It is not my opinion that blasphemy laws often carry the death penalty.

Those are facts. You can now try to deny them, but you are fooling no one.

You are right I do support that, except for death penalty

 

[Father Heathen]

are you the thread police? the subject of the thread can also be adhered to instead of your interests, isn't that correct?

You have to qualify if you want to participate in the victimhood olympics.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

They could express it in so many other ways, they chose the one must hurtfull to a muslim in my view

I think that you need to remember something: the west has an huge tradition of using cartoons to make points. You can see this in cartooning about the British Monarchy from the Hanovers (beginning in 1714) all the up to the present monarch, Queen Elizabeth II. Some of them have been wickedly funny, and very unflattering the monarch.

The problem is, Muslims do not appear to have such a tradition (for so long, not even using pictorial representation in decorating their public building, like the Alhambra and Generalife in Grenada, Spain). It is also true that the Judeo-Christian world has a bibilical injunction AGAINST any sort of pictorial (graven) image, which they ignore totally.

Unfortunately, when two quite different cultures clash, there are few ways to get past some of the major differences -- one culture can simply give up its own traditions (in which that culture dies), they can fight it out (which could result in one or both of them dying, but usually just costs a lot of lives), or they can live their own way while having the grace to let the other do exactly the same. Thus, for Muslims in the west who think that cartoons of prophets (or of Jesus, which are all over the place) are bad -- then they ought not draw them. But why worry if somebody else, who doesn't share that religious prohibition, have to follow suit?

It is, by the way, always wrong to move yourself into another culture -- and then insist that culture change itself to suit you. If you don't like what's happening in Turkey, you'd be daft to move to Istanbul. If you don't like the French sense of humour, then stay the heck out of Paris -- it's full of French people, you know.